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Winchester Research Surveys
February 22, 2015
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Edit: 11/1/2017

Below is the newly updated Research Survey table.  Please contact the specific individual listed for each Model being surveyed, and the specific information to provide.

Thank you in advance for your participation!

Bert

Winchester Research Surveys in progress
Model Survey Details Name Email
1873 Lever-action All serial numbers Robert Reabe bob.1873man@gmail.com
1885 Single Shot Serial numbers 110000 - 140000 Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
1886 Lever-action Serial numbers 146000-150799 &156600-160000 Mark Yecha & Bert Hartman m_yecha@hotmail.com 
1892 Lever-action All serial numbers Michael Puzio 2bitrifles@gmail.com
1892 Lever-action Take Down rifles Chris Hartman 1892takedown@sbcglobal.net
1893 Shotgun All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
1894 Lever-action First Models, and serial numbers 1 - 9999 Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
1894 Lever-action Serial numbers 354000 - 999999 Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
1894 Lever-action Short rifles Gary White gjwhite@vcn.com 
1894 Lever-action Spruce Guns Bert Hartman & Rick Hill Win1885@msn.com
94 Lever-action Serial numbers 1000000 - 2600011 Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
94 Lever-action PCMR Carbines Bert Hartman & Rick Hill Win1885@msn.com
94 Lever-action Flat-band Carbines Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
1895 Lever-action All serial numbers Brad Dunbar & Rob Kassab 1894sightinfo@gmail.com
1897 Shotgun All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
43 Bolt-action All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
53 Lever-action All serial numbers Kirk Durston WinchesterModel53@gmail.com 
55 Lever-action All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
56 & 57 Bolt-action All serial numbers Jeff Abendshien Abendshien@aol.com
61 Slide-action All serial numbers Michael Puzio 2bitrifles@gmail.com
64 Lever-action All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
65 Lever-action All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
71 Lever-action All serial numbers Bert Hartman Win1885@msn.com
Model 1894 Sights Serial numbers 1 - 1080000 Brad Dunbar 1894sightinfo@gmail.com
DCP marked Winchesters  All Models & serial numbers Alan David alandavid303@optusnet.com.au 
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February 22, 2015
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Thanks Bert, I like it. I think we can tell by the list who is the most obsessed with the research. But seriously, thanks for all the work you do for the benefit of all of us. I think these surveys are very useful in proving production changes and trends along with showing a good representation of the existing examples still out there for us to search for.

~Gary~

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February 22, 2015
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Great idea guys.Cool

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February 23, 2015
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1892takedown said

Great idea guys.Cool

Chris,

As I was perusing through all of the Winchester listed on this upcoming auction - https://www.proxibid.com/asp/AuctionsByCompany.asp?ahid=8940 I noted there were a fair number of Model 1892 Take Down rifles listed.

Bert

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February 23, 2015
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Thank you Bert...

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February 24, 2015
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Hello,

Just so the other collectors out there will know.  Your rifle does not need to be a "one of a thousand."  It does not need to be in +90% condition.  It does not necessarily need to be all original!!  OMG!  Really??  Just pass on what you have and let us pick and choose what is pertinent to the work we do.  These projects are only going to be successful with the help of all of you expanding our reach to the THOUSANDS of guns out there to sample.

Thanks for your help

Michael, and the others

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March 15, 2015
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Bert

 

I have been building a serial number data base for many years of Dominion of Canada or DCP marked Model 1892 44WCF SRC's and Model 1894 30WCF SRC's.

These will date from 1914 to 1915.

Could you please add me to your survey list. My e-mail is: alandavid303@optusnet.com.au

 

Regards

 

Alan David

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March 15, 2015
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Alan,

Done!  I may have a few of them in my Model 1894 survey. 

Bert

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Hi Bert,

Thanks for compiling the list, it is very helpful!

I have been collecting information on the Winchester Model 56 and 57 in an informal survey.  I have been logging serial number, barrel date, caliber (LR or short), factory upgrades (sights, checkering, scopes, etc.) and making a note of non-factory modifications.  I have good info from those posting over on the RFC website but have not polled anyone here yet so I will add it to the WACA Forum.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Thanks to everyone who is helping contribute to the surveys. I currently have 252 1894/94 short rifles in my survey and am hoping to find more this weekend in Cody. I hope to see some of you there.

~Gary~

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JWA said

Hi Bert,

Thanks for compiling the list, it is very helpful!

I have been collecting information on the Winchester Model 56 and 57 in an informal survey.  I have been logging serial number, barrel date, caliber (LR or short), factory upgrades (sights, checkering, scopes, etc.) and making a note of non-factory modifications.  I have good info from those posting over on the RFC website but have not polled anyone here yet so I will add it to the WACA Forum.

Thanks,

Jeff

Hello Jeff,

Please send me your preferred email address so that I can add you to the list.

Bert

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Hi Bert, 

PM'd my email and bummed I am missing Cody this year.  Catch you guys at Reno this fall.

Regards,

 

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I apologize for this question.  Being new to the association and to Winchester collecting.  The purpose of the surveys is to find and catalog as many Winchester serial numbers within the particular model?  I realize this is a newbie question, so bear with me, I'd like to know.

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Don,

In the many different surveys that I have in progress, each survey has a slightly different set of goals in mind, but generally speaking, these are the primary purposes for each survey;

For the Model 1894/94:

1. Identify the caliber, variation, and configuration for all serial numbers outside of the letterable range - 354000 - 2600011.
2. Identify the specific serial number ranges when factory production changes were implemented (e.g. model designation markings, upper tang markings, caliber marking, sight configurations, stock configurations, receiver frame configurations, etc.).
3. Identify the various production changes that were made within a specific variation, including when production ended for specific variations.
4. Using the raw data recorded, project (extrapolate) the potential production numbers for the remaining unknown (yet to be surveyed) specimens.

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Thanks Bert, I appreciate your answer.

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Don Snell said
I apologize for this question.  Being new to the association and to Winchester collecting.  The purpose of the surveys is to find and catalog as many Winchester serial numbers within the particular model?  I realize this is a newbie question, so bear with me, I'd like to know.  

Hello Don,

Since Winchester did not produce detailed reference books or guidelines for each model which detail the variations out there and when changes were made in the production, it is almost impossible to know what a gun "should look like" for a specific serial number range.  By accumulating information on several thousands rifles or shotguns and noting the SN and various details it is then able to produce a timeline for any researched gun and describe what the "most likely" characteristics are within a specific time frame of production.  BUT, one does have to keep in mind that Winchester did not practice a strict  "first in - first out" manner of production for the various components of the different Models.  There are often times large transition periods where one detail is eventually replaced or changed.  The various really good reference books on various Models are all a result of surveyed guns and the interpretation of the collected data from those surveys.

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We plan to publish a current list of active WACA member surveys in the Summer 2017 Winchester Collector, similar to that which was published in 2016.  Please contact me if you want to update your survey information for the magazine, or for some reason do not want to be included.  Likewise, I'm sure that Bert would like to update your survey information here on the website if needed. 

If you are currently doing survey research that was not included in the 2016 Summer Collector and would like your information added, again please contact me in the next few weeks.

I also encourage you to contribute articles to the magazine if you are considering it.  We can always use a good article!  Some of you have contributed articles based in part on your survey work as well.   I must mention Bert specifically in this regard for authoring a number of valuable articles for collectors.  I believe he had one in the first issue of magazine I received as a new member.  He has authored yet another fine one for the Summer 2017.  

I'm still actively surveying the Model 1895/95, and focusing much energy on the Model 1895 book with Rob Kassab.  Your help has been much appreciated.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/model-1895-survey/

Thank you everyone for your help with all of the Winchester Research Surveys.

Brad Dunbar

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April 15, 2017
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Brad

Thanks for continuing to promote everyone's research by advertising it in the Collector. I am still logging 1894 short rifles, although not as aggressively as some of the other surveyors. I have about 375 logged and continue to learn things as I go. I'm sure I could find a lot more if I searched auction sites non-stop but I just add them as I come across them at shows or as I am shopping the internet. Bert sends me some links now and again, which is appreciated.

Looking forward to getting caught up with you at Cody, my friend.

~Gary~

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Hey Gary

As far as the 1895 survey goes,  I'm especially interested in finding those after s/n 59,999 due to the lack of records.  So far it has been a great learning experience, but definitely need a lot more in the survey.  Like you are feeling, I just don't get them all.  

We would like to have the list of surveys in the magazine at least once per year.  I have received some good information from the 2016 article, and I hope it's helping you all out as well.  I know Bert was very interested in making people aware of the research survey via the magazine as well, beyond the information in his articles.  

See you in Cody 

Brad

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Hello Brad,

Please continue the list and my two ongoing surveys of the Model 1892 and Model 61 rifles.  People can contact me directly via email at:  2bitrifles@gmail.com

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