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Anthony said
Bert,My apologies on the description of the rifle itself as it was explained to me. It’s a 20 inch Eastern carbine. With the standard carbine shotgun style smooth butt.
Anthony
That makes much better sense.
Thanks for the update.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hello Bert, been meaning to do this for a while and saw a link on NWF. So I dug out of the safe my 94 which is what you would call a “safe queen”, has not seen gun powder for 50 plus years. Yes it is in beautiful condition. It has a Lyman 56 site but other than that its stock. Not sure if you want this to add to your database or not but here it is. Would appreciate your knowledgeable input here or via e-mail, thanks. rnSerial # 912564rn26 inch barrelrn
Bert,
I have S/N 1,302,635. Interestingly the buttstock has the number 19 stamped in it.
Thanks,
Roy
Bert,
Model 1894 for your survey –
Ser# 624610
.38-55
26″ Round Barrel
Plain Trigger, Stock, and Forearm.
Crescent Buttplate
Thanks,
Gus
Green River Gus said
Bert,Model 1894 for your survey –
Ser# 624610
.38-55
26″ Round Barrel
Plain Trigger, Stock, and Forearm.
Crescent Buttplate
Thanks,
Gus
Thanks!
The s/n place the date of manufacture in October 1913.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
Another 1894 Rifle for your survey –
Ser# 854745
.25-35 Winchester
26″ round barrel (nickel steel)
Plain trigger, stock, and forearm
Crescent buttplate
Lyman #5 front sight
Barrel rear sight dovetail blanked
Lyman #1 tang sight (flip-down aperture)
The sights appear to have been on the rifle a long time. Were they offered as Winchester factory options during this time period?
Thanks,
Gus
Bert,
For you’re survey, within you’re first grouping, that you stated you we’re focusing on, as a second variation.
Model 1894, serial number #518848, mfg. 1911, 32-40 caliber, 26 inch octagon Barrel, with crescent butt. The rifle currently has a replaced half magazine, as the front hanger is missing for the full magazine, that once was on this rifle.
Anthony
Anthony said
Bert,For you’re survey, within you’re first grouping, that you stated you we’re focusing on, as a second variation.
Model 1894, serial number #518848, mfg. 1911, 32-40 caliber, 26 inch octagon Barrel, with crescent butt. The rifle currently has a replaced half magazine, as the front hanger is missing for the full magazine, that once was on this rifle.
Anthony
Thanks
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
FYI several possible victims I don’t have pics of any of them yet but can snap a few later if that would be helpful.
An 1894 Eastern carbine? #1082139 in 25-35. 20 inch full mag. Has a full Buckhorn King rear sight and a King reflective pinned front—no saddle ring.
and just for science and research a couple 1894 rifles not in this range— disregard if not the proper place to post
# 348631 Fancy sporting rifle 30 WCF 26 inch octagon full mag pistol grip with cap and the H pattern checkering
#8196 standard 26 inch round barreled full mag in 38-55
& Will also include (from the 1930s era) a couple model 55 solid frames and a 64 short barrel—all in 30 WCF
I’ll post that info in the proper survey.
Thanks PH
Paul H said
FYI several possible victims I don’t have pics of any of them yet but can snap a few later if that would be helpful.An 1894 Eastern carbine? #1082139 in 25-35. 20 inch full mag. Has a full Buckhorn King rear sight and a King reflective pinned front—no saddle ring.
and just for science and research a couple 1894 rifles not in this range— disregard if not the proper place to post
# 348631 Fancy sporting rifle 30 WCF 26 inch octagon full mag pistol grip with cap and the H pattern checkering
#8196 standard 26 inch round barreled full mag in 38-55
& Will also include (from the 1930s era) a couple model 55 solid frames and a 64 short barrel—all in 30 WCF
I’ll post that info in the proper survey.
Thanks PH
Paul,
Please excuse my tardiness in replying to you post above. S/N 1082139 was manufactured late March 1932, and was very near the end of the Nickel Steel barrels.
Thanks,
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Roy H. said
Bert,I have S/N 1,302,635. Interestingly the buttstock has the number 19 stamped in it.
Thanks,
Roy
Hello Roy,
Please excuse my very tardy reply to your message.
Can provide additional information? Is your Model 94 a SRC, Eastern Carbine, Rifle, or a Take Down Rifle?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I have an Eastern carbine with the Colonel Whelen grooved comb butt stock .
Serial number 874019
Caliber 30 WCF
Barrel is 20″ round
5/8(?) mag tube 12&1/2″ long with 9&1/8″forearm.
Shotgun butt with 4&1/2″ checkered hard rubber putt plate with oval Winchester logo
No saddle ring
There is a machined groove on barrel bottom that would take the lip of the round top mag tube cap for a 1/2 mag tube. All 3 grooves on barrel bottom appear factory machined. The round top mag tube cap has screwdriver slot and the lip for fitting into the forward barrel groove. The mag cap screw extends through the cap and the mag tube nd fits in a shallow hole in the bottom of the barrel. There is a large E stamped under the upper tang.
George
Port Alberni, BC
Pondoro said
I have an Eastern carbine with the Colonel Whelen grooved comb butt stock .Serial number 874019
Caliber 30 WCF
Barrel is 20″ round
5/8(?) mag tube 12&1/2″ long with 9&1/8″forearm.
Shotgun butt with 4&1/2″ checkered hard rubber putt plate with oval Winchester logo
No saddle ring
There is a machined groove on barrel bottom that would take the lip of the round top mag tube cap for a 1/2 mag tube. All 3 grooves on barrel bottom appear factory machined. The round top mag tube cap has screwdriver slot and the lip for fitting into the forward barrel groove. The mag cap screw extends through the cap and the mag tube nd fits in a shallow hole in the bottom of the barrel. There is a large E stamped under the upper tang.
George
Port Alberni, BC
Hello George,
Your Model 1894 is a special order “Eastern” Carbine with a ⅔ Magazine. It was manufactured in February 1918.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, thank you for that information. I want add that I also have a Model 1892 SRC with a shotgun butt and a 3/4 mag that has the same “1/2 MAG” stamp on the receiver end of the forearm wood as does this Model 1892. See photo. It leads me to think that Winchester used this stamp on all Model 1892 and 1894 carbine forearms for guns that had fractional mag tubes. I read elsewhere that fractional mag tube forearms had a different slope to the mag tube cut out because of the different angle as compared to normal carbine forearms. Do you have any comments?
Pondoro said
Bert, thank you for that information. I want add that I also have a Model 1892 SRC with a shotgun butt and a 3/4 mag that has the same “1/2 MAG” stamp on the receiver end of the forearm wood as does this Model 1892. See photo. It leads me to think that Winchester used this stamp on all Model 1892 and 1894 carbine forearms for guns that had fractional mag tubes. I read elsewhere that fractional mag tube forearms had a different slope to the mag tube cut out because of the different angle as compared to normal carbine forearms. Do you have any comments?
No, I do not. I have not closely examined the forend stocks on the Model 1894 Carbines.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
This is my first Winchester. I purchased it at a local store in the Boston area in 2023. I believe this is what is referred to as an “Eastern Carbine”. According to this site’s Resources page, it was manufactured in 1915. It is in like-new condition and is a fantastic shooter, though that barrel gets hot!
- Serial Number: 776305
- Caliber: 30 WCF
- Magazine Tube: ⅔ length (holds 5 rounds of 30-30)
- Stock: I assume this is the flat plate shotgun style butt stock
- Barrel: 20″ round
- Saddle Ring: No
- Sights: It came to me with a rear peep (aperture) sight. I believe it is a “Redfield No. 70 Micrometer Receiver Sight” with “hunter knobs”. I can ring steel at 200 yards and I never touched the sight adjustments. The front sight has a removable hood. I heard a Redfield sight like this was a special order option from Winchester. Or, do you think it was added by a previous owner?
As a new guest user, I cannot upload photos directly. You can view some here: Winchester 1894 Photos
-Sixvolt
sixvolt said
Bert,This is my first Winchester. I purchased it at a local store in the Boston area in 2023. I believe this is what is referred to as an “Eastern Carbine”. According to this site’s Resources page, it was manufactured in 1915. It is in like-new condition and is a fantastic shooter, though that barrel gets hot!
- Serial Number: 776305
- Caliber: 30 WCF
- Magazine Tube: ⅔ length (holds 5 rounds of 30-30)
- Stock: I assume this is the flat plate shotgun style butt stock
- Barrel: 20″ round
- Saddle Ring: No
- Sights: It came to me with a rear peep (aperture) sight. I believe it is a “Redfield No. 70 Micrometer Receiver Sight” with “hunter knobs”. I can ring steel at 200 yards and I never touched the sight adjustments. The front sight has a removable hood. I heard a Redfield sight like this was a special order option from Winchester. Or, do you think it was added by a previous owner?
As a new guest user, I cannot upload photos directly. You can view some here: Winchester 1894 Photos
-Sixvolt
Unfortunately, none of what follows is good (or positive) news about your Model 1894.
What you have is a “Frankenchester”… a Winchester assembled from the parts of many other donor guns.
Specifically, the receiver frame (action) was manufactured in the year 1915, and it most likely was originally a standard Sporting Rifle (which is why it does not have a provision for a saddle ring). The reason it looks like it is in “like new” condition is because it has been completely refinished (reblued).
The barrel is from a post-1932 production but pre-1951 Carbine. It will have a 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom in the concave part of the barrel next to the receiver frame.
The butt stock & checkered steel butt plate are from a post-1945 production but pre-1947 Carbine.
The serrated hammer is from a post-1946 Model 94.
Winchester did not drill & tap any Model 1894 receiver frames for a Redfield, Lyman, or Williams receiver mounted peep sight.
The Redfield sight on your Model 1894 is a post-1940 production No. 70.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
sixvolt said
Bert,
This is my first Winchester. I purchased it at a local store in the Boston area in 2023. I believe this is what is referred to as an “Eastern Carbine”. According to this site’s Resources page, it was manufactured in 1915. It is in like-new condition and is a fantastic shooter, though that barrel gets hot!
- Serial Number: 776305
- Caliber: 30 WCF
- Magazine Tube: ⅔ length (holds 5 rounds of 30-30)
- Stock: I assume this is the flat plate shotgun style butt stock
- Barrel: 20″ round
- Saddle Ring: No
- Sights: It came to me with a rear peep (aperture) sight. I believe it is a “Redfield No. 70 Micrometer Receiver Sight” with “hunter knobs”. I can ring steel at 200 yards and I never touched the sight adjustments. The front sight has a removable hood. I heard a Redfield sight like this was a special order option from Winchester. Or, do you think it was added by a previous owner?
As a new guest user, I cannot upload photos directly. You can view some here: Winchester 1894 Photos
-Sixvolt
Unfortunately, none of what follows is good (or positive) news about your Model 1894.
What you have is a “Frankenchester”… a Winchester assembled from the parts of many other donor guns.
Specifically, the receiver frame (action) was manufactured in the year 1915, and it most likely was originally a standard Sporting Rifle (which is why it does not have a provision for a saddle ring). The reason it looks like it is in “like new” condition is because it has been completely refinished (reblued).
The barrel is from a post-1932 production but pre-1951 Carbine. It will have a 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom in the concave part of the barrel next to the receiver frame.
The butt stock & checkered steel butt plate are from a post-1945 production but pre-1947 Carbine.
The serrated hammer is from a post-1946 Model 94.
Winchester did not drill & tap any Model 1894 receiver frames for a Redfield, Lyman, or Williams receiver mounted peep sight.
The Redfield sight on your Model 1894 is a post-1940 production No. 70.
Bert
Thanks for all the fascinating detail, Bert. It’s a pity it’s a hodge-podge of parts rather than all original, but that makes me feel better about shooting it. And I plan to shoot it a lot! -Sixvolt
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