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I came to the realization that a separate Topic was in order for the Model 1894 and as such, I have created this post.
As many of you already now, I have been researching and surveying the Model 1894 production for the past 19+ years. My focus has been on two specific serial number ranges; 354000 – 1079689 (May 13th, 1907 – December 31st, 1931), and 1079690 – 2600011 (January 1st 1932 – April 29th, 1963). To this date, I have documented 10,151 specimens in the 1st serial range, and 16,232 in the 2nd serial range. The reason for the split surveys is the fact that there are approximately 75,000 Model 55 and Model 64 rifles that are mixed inside of the 2nd serial number range (for which I have separate surveys).
I am including a set of tables below (from the 1st serial number range survey only) to show all interested readers an example of the information that I have compiled thus far. I have additional tables created in the survey that provide detailed observed statistics for many other features. If there is a specific interest in seeing that information, I can provide it in future posts.
The attached tables should be self-explanatory, but all questions are welcomed.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bill Hanzel said
Hope some are new
Thanks!
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert that is great information. Do you have any breakdown on plain pistol grip rifles or carbines?
antler1 said
Bert that is great information. Do you have any breakdown on plain pistol grip rifles or carbines?
By “plain pistol grip”, are you asking about those with no checkering, or just those with plain walnut?
In the first production table that has all the variations listed, the Rifles and Carbines with “Semi-Dlx” in the description are plain pistol gripped guns (some with checkering, some without).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, do you have these in the survey?
Winchester 94 carbine 2200254 Lever Action 20” 30-30 1956
Winchester 94 carbine 1779924 Lever Action 20” 30-30 1951
Winchester 94 carbine 1257728 Lever Action 20″ .32 Win. Spec. 1940
Winchester 94 carbine 1602120 Lever Action 20″ .32 Win. Spec. 1949
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle Round Barrel 308714 Lever Action 26″ .32 Win. Spec. 1906
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle ½ Octagon Barrel 275579 Lever Action 26” .32 Win. Spec. 1905
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle Octagon Barrel 272208 Lever Action 26” 38-55 Winchester 1902
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle ½ Octagon Barrel Takedown 606552 Lever Action 24” 30-30 (30 WCF) 1913
pine_worker said
Bert, do you have these in the survey?Winchester 94 carbine 2200254 Lever Action 20” 30-30 1956
Winchester 94 carbine 1779924 Lever Action 20” 30-30 1951
Winchester 94 carbine 1257728 Lever Action 20″ .32 Win. Spec. 1940
Winchester 94 carbine 1602120 Lever Action 20″ .32 Win. Spec. 1949
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle Round Barrel 308714 Lever Action 26″ .32 Win. Spec. 1906
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle ½ Octagon Barrel 275579 Lever Action 26” .32 Win. Spec. 1905
Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle Octagon Barrel 272208 Lever Action 26” 38-55 Winchester 1902Winchester 1894 Sporting Rifle ½ Octagon Barrel Takedown 606552 Lever Action 24” 30-30 (30 WCF) 1913
Yes, I have all of them that are in the serial number range for the survey.
Thanks,
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
antler1 said
Bert: Just got back. I was asking about plain pistol grip no checking
I do not have a search query set up for the specific information, but can create one when I get home from my trip to Oregon.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Here are my two other 94s. One is out of your SN range but the other is in it.
345215 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF
388829 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF (has a climbing Lyman sight on it, appears non-factory installed)
Shark Bait said
Here are my two other 94s. One is out of your SN range but the other is in it.345215 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF
388829 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF (has a climbing Lyman sight on it, appears non-factory installed)
Thanks.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Shark Bait said
Here are my two other 94s. One is out of your SN range but the other is in it.
345215 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF
388829 26″ octagon barrel .30WCF (has a climbing Lyman sight on it, appears non-factory installed)
Thanks.
Let me know if you want pics or anything else. Thanks Bert.
Bert,
For your survey, I just acquired:
Winchester Model 94 carbine sn 2464052, 30-30, 20″ barrel.
Al
tionesta1 said
Bert,For your survey, I just acquired:
Winchester Model 94 carbine sn 2464052, 30-30, 20″ barrel.
Al
Thanks… it is added to the survey.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
The old man blew me away gave me all his guns his dads 30 wcf model 94 sir.1169787 more intersted in history than value
Terry said
The old man blew me away gave me all his guns his dads 30 wcf model 94 sir.1169787 more intersted in history than value
Terry,
Your Model 94 was manufactured in March of the year 1938. As such, it is a Sporting Carbine with a 20-inch barrel.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Burt,
Two 1894’s for your survey
#650336
30 WCF
Half Mag.
Crescent butt
22″ bbl, it might have been cut, the crown appears cut to deep.
Newer Rocky Mountain front sight, rear sight filed way down!
#835349
SRC
30 WCF
20″ bbl
94c front sight, dove tail for back bbl sight, tang site.
slotted mag end
Edward Kitner said
Burt,Two 1894’s for your survey
#650336
30 WCF
Half Mag.
Crescent butt
22″ bbl, it might have been cut, the crown appears cut to deep.
Newer Rocky Mountain front sight, rear sight filed way down!
#835349
SRC
30 WCF
20″ bbl
94c front sight, dove tail for back bbl sight, tang site.
slotted mag end
Ed,
Can you post (or send me) pictures of s/n 650336? Is the magazine tube end cap flat or rounded? Is it a true button mag or does it extend out past the forend nose cap? What is the precise distance from the muzzle face to the bottom forwardmost edge of the sight dovetail slot?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, I hope the pics will answer your questions. The measurement from the muzzle to the forward edge of the bottom of the dove tail is 16 3/16.
Ed
Edward Kitner said
Bert, I hope the pics will answer your questions. The measurement from the muzzle to the forward edge of the bottom of the dove tail is 16 3/16.
Ed
It is a factory original “button mag” (1/2 mag).
The measurement I was asking about was from the muzzle face to the bottom forward edge of the front sight dovetail. Your measurement appears to be the distance from the muzzles to the rear sight dovetail.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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