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Model 71 for survey
March 22, 2018
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Steve,

What is the asking price on the Special? Depending on the graded condition, they can be worth a fair amount of $$$$. Surprisingly, the standard Model 71 rifles are less common than the Specials.

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March 22, 2018
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They were asking 2200 for the special.  1395 for the standard. I have the current red book, but now that I have read your article and have a better idea of what I’m looking at I hesitate to offer even an amateur grade until I go back. It was really clean but not unused. Smooth action, nice bluing and wood. Clean checkering with one small scuff (safe rash). 

I believe I recall that the special had a Lyman sight and the other had a Redfield. Both had blanks in the rear dovetail. The one on the wall did not have a receiver sight and was more scraped up than the other two. 

I know none of this helps to come up with an actual grade but I’ll give a closer look next time and try to get a salesman that will look the other way and let me take pics. (Store policy). 

Sometimes gun shopping in Los Angeles is a matter of patience, strategy and stamina. 

 

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March 22, 2018
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Steve,

$2,200 for a Special sounds reasonable to me if it is in decent condition, and $1,395 for a standard that it not beat to death or altered also sounds like a decent price.

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March 31, 2018
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So I went back to the shop with the idea that I was going to come home with the special, but after a closer look, it has been refinished at some point. The shop owner confirmed that and while I certainly planned to load for and shoot the rifle, I would rather spend my money on something else.

My apologies for the sparse pictures. I feel like a covert operative whenever I take pictures in that place.

I did get some more info for the survey, however:

  • SN 38794 Special Rifle (refinished)
  • “Winchester” marked rubber grip cap
  • Redfield receiver mounted rear sight with a blank in the barrel dovetail
  • Inletted sling swivels
  • Barrel address as shown

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  • SN 35184 Standard Rifle
  • Lyman rear sight
  • “Button” sling mounts

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  • SN 42034 Standard Rifle
  • Barrel mounted sight
  • Sling swivels as shown

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I’m curious about the sling mounts and which would be factory. The inletted ones on the special are like the ones on my 1938 M64, inletted on the buttstock and integrated into the forend cap. I haven’t had a chance to look up the two receiver sights yet. Asking price on the Special was $2295, $1395 on the standard with the Lyman sight and $1895 for the standard with the barrel mounted sight. That one still had its front sight hood. All three had crowned muzzles. I didn’t really see the price discrepancy between the two standard models, they looked similar with the more expensive one (the one without the receiver sight) having a little more wear in the forend finish. Not sure if I’m going to pursue either of them or not.

 

Bert, they also had an 1885 that I got a little information on that I’ll post in the relevant survey thread.

 

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March 31, 2018
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Steve,

The sling attachments on the two standard rifles are aftermarket items.  There should not be much (if any) value difference in the two rifles.  I suspect they paid more for one of them.

The Special Rifle does not appear to have checkered stocks?

Thank you very much for posting the information and pictures!

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March 31, 2018
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Oops. Yes the special was most definitely checkered. I had my cursor in the wrong place when I attached that pic showing the barrel address. I’ll fix the post. 

 

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August 13, 2018
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Just acquired # 16161 yesterday.

 

I have mixed results in determining the year of manufacture?  1938…..0r….January 1940…since the last serial # for 1939 was said to be 16155, which would make mine one of the first made in 1940 I suspect.

 

Long Tang.

No bolt mounted aperture sight.

Pistol Grip Cap.

Checkering.

Thanks for anything you can help me learn about this gun that resided since new – in the family of some dear friends from Pennsylvania, until this last weekend. I did make note of beautiful HAMMER checkering.

Gold Bead front sight lacks HOOD…..so please tell me if these are unique to the 71 or can any Winchester front sight hood be temporarily attached while I look for an original to bring it back to proper appearance.Cool

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The serial number you mention makes it a May 1938 production rifle. The gold bead front sight was standard. If the rear sight is mount to the barrel. it is a 22-K sporting sight. The front sight hood off of a Model 70 rifle should fit it just fine.

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March 13, 2019
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Bert,

I am looking at model 71 serial # 16584, “Deluxe” with 98 A peep sight in upcoming auction.  Is this already in your survey and if so what information do you have on it?

Thanks,

Mac

March 13, 2019
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Big Mac said
Bert,

I am looking at model 71 serial # 16584, “Deluxe” with 98 A peep sight in upcoming auction.  Is this already in your survey and if so what information do you have on it?

Thanks,

Mac  

I did not have that rifle in the survey until just now.  What auction is it in?  Based on the serial number, it should be a “long tang” receiver.  It should also have a flat uncrowned muzzle, checkered hammer, and a non drilled & tapped receiver.

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March 16, 2019
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Bert H. said

I did not have that rifle in the survey until just now.  What auction is it in?  Based on the serial number, it should be a “long tang” receiver.  It should also have a flat uncrowned muzzle, checkered hammer, and a non drilled & tapped receiver.

Bert  

Bert,

I purchased Model 71 serial # 16584 and provide the following for your survey:  Special, long tang, 98A bolt peep sight, hard rubber pistol grip cap w/logo, flat muzzle, checkered hammer, sling swivels, no D&T.  In very lightly used condition with a few scratches to barrel & receiver bluing, minor dings to wood.  Thank you for your assistance.  Here are some pics.

Mac

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June 1, 2019
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Winchester M71, s.n. 46964, factory checkered stock, Lyman peep (not sure if it is factory or added).

June 1, 2019
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Carl Bachhuber said
Winchester M71, s.n. 46964, factory checkered stock, Lyman peep (not sure if it is factory or added).  

The Lyman peep sight is most likely a No. 66 (see the picture below).  Is the cap on the pistol grip hard rubber w/Winchester logo, or is to blued steel?

Bert

 

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June 5, 2019
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Grip cap appears to be hard rubber embossed with “Winchester Repeating Arms Co.”.  My dad bought it new back in the 50’s.  I may even still have the original receipt for it around here someplace.

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June 6, 2019
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Carl Bachhuber said
Grip cap appears to be hard rubber embossed with “Winchester Repeating Arms Co.”.  My dad bought it new back in the 50’s.  I may even still have the original receipt for it around here someplace.

Carl.  

Thanks for checking it.  I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the original purchase receipt!

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June 7, 2019
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Bert, I started digging for the receipt for the M71 but so far have not found it.  I did find a receipt  for a Win. M. 63 from 1955, some S&W’s from that same time frame, and a bill of sale from DCM for a 1911 for a whopping 17.50$.  The gun was 12.00$ and ship and handling another 5.50$!  Talk about the good old days.  I shall keep digging.

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Carl,

Thanks for looking. If you find it, I would be interested in a scanned copy of it.

Bert

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Serial number 519 was sold in the February 2019 Rock Island auction, then again in the December 2019 Montrose auction.

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February 27, 2020
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Impressive information.

Dan 

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