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I am working on a survey of surviving 1876 rifles, carbines and muskets.   Rick (Win4575) graciously gave me the material he had and I hope to expand and eventually publish it.

What is needed for guns surviving now: 

Serial number

Type: rifle/carbine/musket

Caliber

Barrel Type: octagon, half octagon, round

Barrel length

Trigger: plain or set

Any extras or special order items

Sights whether on the letter or not

Received in warehouse, shipped from warehouse, order number if you have a letter

Anything else such as Returned & Repaired, provenance, etc.

Photos are always good

You can contact me by electronic mail at:  longrider45 at yahoo dot com or send me a PM

Just to be clear, this is for surviving guns, in the condition they are now

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Bill,

Have you contact Jessi at the CFM records office? They have survey data that was compiled by John Hawke during his time at the CFM.

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The list Bill has is a continuation of an 1876 Winchester survey given to me long ago by Jim Gordon.  Since then, I have probably doubled the number of guns compared to  the list when Jim passed it on to me.  John Hawk has been a close friend for many years and always a huge volume of information on many different Winchester models, especially the ’76.  Having said all this, the primary reason for the survey,  is to get a fair accounting of the surviving rifles, carbines and muskets. Even if the gun has been completely rebuilt or completely destroyed,  if it has a serial number, it will be an important addition to this survey.  Factory ledgers will be of some help I’m sure, but this is not a survey according  to ledger research.  This is a survey of surviving guns.  Bill is the perfect guy to carry this forward and I will help all I can.  He and I have both had a long running love affair with the 1876 models.  Your help is greatly appreciated. 

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Someone suggested signing up for Proxibid to cast the net wider.  It’s great, I’ve already added over 20 new guns to the survey.  To echo what Rick said, this survey is for surviving guns, not every thing in the records.

As of today there are over 2200 guns in the survey.  Not too shabby for a production run of just over 63,000.  

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Do have my 1876 in your records? SN 3267 Don

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The only 1876 rifle I’ve ever owned is a British Proofed, 40-60WCF, 22″ Short Rifle, this has the Rarest Winchester Front Sight, with only mine (1) known to still be in existence. (Winch. “Reversible Front Sight”, 1882-83 Winch. catalog). It also has a 4 leaf “express rear sight”, and an odd British?, rear tang sight. This 1876 will be auctioned off at Poulin’s in their November 2022 auction. 

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Do have my 1876 in your records? SN 3267 Don

  

Don, your gun was not in the survey.  Tell me more, please!   See top message for all the information we want to know.  Basically, what would be in the letter

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Bill,

Are you, or have you gone through all of the “Past Auction” listings for all of the major auction houses?  One of the tools (websites) that I use is icollector.com  It allows you to search both all upcoming and past auctions going back as far as the year 2002, and it covers hundreds of auction services across the United States and Canada.

Search Live Online Items – iCollector.com Online Auctions

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p.s. if you need any tips on how to effectively use the website, give me a call.

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Bert,

Thank you!  What a great resource!  Being able to check old auctions is very helpful.  I have gone through the “usual suspects” (Merz, Collectors Firearms, Don Grove).  I have been adding a few new guns each day.

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Bill,

You are welcome. Over the past 25 years I have greatly refined all of my research sources and techniques. I have several more when you are ready.

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Bill, I am wondering if you received my email with info regarding my 1876 SN 3267. Don

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Don, I received data on 3267 and it’s in the survey now.  thank you

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I have now added as many surviving guns to the survey that I am aware of.  Some of the guns listed on auction and internet sales sites didn’t have the serial number.  

As of today, about 4% of the total production have been documented as surviving.  There are certainly many more that are still in collections and have not been on auction sites or internet sales.

This will probably come as no surprise but most of the guns are “plain jane” 28 inch barrel rifles, either octagon or round, in .45-75, .45-60 or .40-60 with no special features.  Many Express rifles survive.  Many of those do have extras.

The work continues…

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Bill;

Curious to know did your research on the 1876s come up with many British Proofed “Short Rifles” in the 40-60 WCF caliber? I didn’t mention that it has a “Plain Trigger”, full magazine, and what may be a Heavier than Standard Barrel. In the 40-60 WCF caliber it’s hard to tell if barrel is considered standard or heavier than standard. The rifle weighs about the same as a “Standard” 28″ 1876 in the 40-60 caliber, yet the barrel is only 22 inches.

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