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I am working on a survey of surviving 1876 rifles, carbines and muskets. Rick (Win4575) graciously gave me the material he had and I hope to expand and eventually publish it.
What is needed for guns surviving now:
Serial number
Type: rifle/carbine/musket
Caliber
Barrel Type: octagon, half octagon, round
Barrel length
Trigger: plain or set
Any extras or special order items
Sights whether they letter or not
Received in warehouse, shipped from warehouse, order number if you have a letter
Anything else such as Returned & Repaired, provenance, etc.
Photos are always good
You can contact me by electronic mail at: longrider45 at yahoo dot com or send me a PM
Just to be clear, this is for surviving guns, in the condition they are now
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill,
Have you contact Jessi at the CFM records office? They have survey data that was compiled by John Hawke during his time at the CFM.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
The list Bill has is a continuation of an 1876 Winchester survey given to me long ago by Jim Gordon. Since then, I have probably doubled the number of guns compared to the list when Jim passed it on to me. John Hawk has been a close friend for many years and always a huge volume of information on many different Winchester models, especially the ’76. Having said all this, the primary reason for the survey, is to get a fair accounting of the surviving rifles, carbines and muskets. Even if the gun has been completely rebuilt or completely destroyed, if it has a serial number, it will be an important addition to this survey. Factory ledgers will be of some help I’m sure, but this is not a survey according to ledger research. This is a survey of surviving guns. Bill is the perfect guy to carry this forward and I will help all I can. He and I have both had a long running love affair with the 1876 models. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Someone suggested signing up for Proxibid to cast the net wider. It’s great, I’ve already added over 20 new guns to the survey. To echo what Rick said, this survey is for surviving guns, not every thing in the records.
As of today there are over 2200 guns in the survey. Not too shabby for a production run of just over 63,000.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
The only 1876 rifle I’ve ever owned is a British Proofed, 40-60WCF, 22″ Short Rifle, this has the Rarest Winchester Front Sight, with only mine (1) known to still be in existence. (Winch. “Reversible Front Sight”, 1882-83 Winch. catalog). It also has a 4 leaf “express rear sight”, and an odd British?, rear tang sight. This 1876 will be auctioned off at Poulin’s in their November 2022 auction.
Apache ( ya ta hey )
SERIAL #53195
86Win said
Do have my 1876 in your records? SN 3267 Don
Don, your gun was not in the survey. Tell me more, please! See top message for all the information we want to know. Basically, what would be in the letter
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill,
Are you, or have you gone through all of the “Past Auction” listings for all of the major auction houses? One of the tools (websites) that I use is icollector.com It allows you to search both all upcoming and past auctions going back as far as the year 2002, and it covers hundreds of auction services across the United States and Canada.
Search Live Online Items – iCollector.com Online Auctions
Bert
p.s. if you need any tips on how to effectively use the website, give me a call.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
Thank you! What a great resource! Being able to check old auctions is very helpful. I have gone through the “usual suspects” (Merz, Collectors Firearms, Don Grove). I have been adding a few new guns each day.
Bill
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill,
You are welcome. Over the past 25 years I have greatly refined all of my research sources and techniques. I have several more when you are ready.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bill, I am wondering if you received my email with info regarding my 1876 SN 3267. Don
Don, I received data on 3267 and it’s in the survey now. thank you
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
I have now added as many surviving guns to the survey that I am aware of. Some of the guns listed on auction and internet sales sites didn’t have the serial number.
As of today, about 4% of the total production have been documented as surviving. There are certainly many more that are still in collections and have not been on auction sites or internet sales.
This will probably come as no surprise but most of the guns are “plain jane” 28 inch barrel rifles, either octagon or round, in .45-75, .45-60 or .40-60 with no special features. Many Express rifles survive. Many of those do have extras.
The work continues…
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill;
Curious to know did your research on the 1876s come up with many British Proofed “Short Rifles” in the 40-60 WCF caliber? I didn’t mention that it has a “Plain Trigger”, full magazine, and what may be a Heavier than Standard Barrel. In the 40-60 WCF caliber it’s hard to tell if barrel is considered standard or heavier than standard. The rifle weighs about the same as a “Standard” 28″ 1876 in the 40-60 caliber, yet the barrel is only 22 inches.
Apache ( ya ta hey )
If your still doing the survey,mine is as follows
Type: Rifle
Serial:60001
28 inch octagon barrel
Cal: 45-60.
Plain Trigger
Full magazine
letter is in the works.
very good overall condition
Kent
Kent Johnson said
If your still doing the survey,mine is as followsType: Rifle
Serial:60001
28 inch octagon barrel
Cal: 45-60.
Plain Trigger
Full magazine
letter is in the works.
very good overall condition
Kent
Thank you Kent, your rifle was not in the survey. It has been added. When you get your letter, please post here the in warehouse and out of warehouse dates along with order number.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Hi Bill.
Here is the info from the Cody Letter I received today.
Received in warehouse on February 02, 1888
Shipped from the warehouse on June 14th 1889, Order number 22783.
Kent
Thank you, Kent. I have added that information.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill I have 6 1876’s 1 open top, 2 PG DLX, 2 24inch and 1 case colored with swivels If you send me your emailI can put a list together for you mine is [email protected]
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