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Model 61 Research Survey
January 2, 2015
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 Hello All,

I have been at this work for 2 years now and currently have just over 2600 rifles entered into the effort.  This work is meant to be an addition and refinement to that done years ago by Ned Schwing and certainly not an attempt to reinvent the wheel on these fine rifles.  If anyone has a rifle they would like to add into the effort please contact me via either PM or email.  2bitrifles@gmail.com 

1. To start I need the full serial number of your rifle.  Please no partials with xxx's.  That way I can differentiate each rifle and not wonder if it was a rifle I might already have entered that was for sale at some other time where I may have already captured it.  

2. Is the rifle barrel round or octagon shaped? 

3. What is the chamber designation of the rifle?  Please don't tell me it is .22 LR if the barrel is stamped .22 S.L .& LR.  What exactly is stamped on the barrel? 

4. Is the upper tang drilled & tapped with two small screws for mounting a folding peep sight there? 

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 5. Is there a "W" stamped about an inch or so below the serial number. 

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 6. On .22 Magnums only, is there an "A" stamped just below the serial number? 

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 7. Is the butt plate checkered steel or black plastic? 

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8. Is the receiver top grooved for a scope mount?

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 Thanks to all for your help and input.  This sort of effort is only successful via the support and help of others.

Michael

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January 3, 2015
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Hey my friend. Glad to see you here. Keep up the good work. Thanks, Big Larry

January 19, 2015
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Have  a Winchester model 61 S/n 63133 with a Lyman #1 Tang fold down sight. No letters below serial number. Plastic butt plate with the letters Fajen.

Round barrel stamped 22 S.L. or L.R.-         hope this info helps.    I need a front mounting screw for the sight and a [ apiture]

January 20, 2015
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Artie said

Have  a Winchester model 61 S/n 63133 with a Lyman #1 Tang fold down sight. No letters below serial number. Plastic butt plate with the letters Fajen.

Round barrel stamped 22 S.L. or L.R.-         hope this info helps.    I need a front mounting screw for the sight and a [ apiture]

Hello Artie,

Thanks for the data on your rifle.  It was manufactured during 1942 and it should most definitely have a checkered steel butt plate.  You might look on eBay for the parts you need.

Michael

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February 4, 2015
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Anybody out in California that is near this shop and can drop in and get the serial number for me so I can add the rifle into my survey?   I appreciate it.  http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=466740971

75 Wildwood Avenue, Rio Dell, CA 95562
(707) 764-5744

Thanks

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February 14, 2015
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1) Serial number 45164

2) Round barrel

3) .22 Long R. - Shot    ( Has Routledge Bore )

4) Tang drilled & tapped with two small screws 

5) No "W" below serial number

6) Butt plate checkered steel

7) Matted reciever top

February 17, 2015
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Buck Buchanan said

1) Serial number 45164

2) Round barrel

3) .22 Long R. - Shot    ( Has Routledge Bore )

4) Tang drilled & tapped with two small screws 

5) No "W" below serial number

6) Butt plate checkered steel

7) Matted reciever top

Thanks so much Buck.  Your rifle was manufactured during 1939

Michael

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March 3, 2015
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Michael, are you at a point in your research where you can say with some certainty whether or not it was possible to special order a grooved receiver on a 61 built in 1956?

For your research purposes: The serial # is 235924, is S,L,LR, round barrel, no 'W' below SN, no upper tang screws, checkered steel butt plate, grooved receiver.

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March 4, 2015
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The grooved top receivers started in 1954 around s/n 225000 so yours should be correct.

~Gary~

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Captain Kummok said

Michael, are you at a point in your research where you can say with some certainty whether or not it was possible to special order a grooved receiver on a 61 built in 1956?

For your research purposes: The serial # is 235924, is S,L,LR, round barrel, no 'W' below SN, no upper tang screws, checkered steel butt plate, grooved receiver.

Hello CK,

I am in Belize fishing right now but will be glad to help.  Schwing notes in books that the grooved top receiver does start at approximately 225000.  Based on my work it actually appears approximately 10,000 rifles earlier at the 215000 range.  Please reference this post on RFC for the breakdown to date.

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http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534703

I hope this helps

Michael

 

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March 4, 2015
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Great information Michael, and a good example of the benefits of the research surveys. I always had it in my memory that '54 was the year and yes, the 225k number was from Schwings book. Thanks for all your hard work.

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pdog72 said

Great information Michael, and a good example of the benefits of the research surveys. I always had it in my memory that '54 was the year and yes, the 225k number was from Schwings book. Thanks for all your hard work.

Thanks for the kind words Gary.  The work is actually fun to do and I am glad that it is helpful to others.  If  I can get another 800 rifles or so  I will have more "results" to make accessible.

Michael

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March 5, 2015
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Yes indeed, it helped for certain! Glad to see you're relaxing in Belize...I'll bet the fish aren't! Wink

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March 7, 2015
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1) Serial number 274364

 

2) Round barrel

3) .22 SL or LR 

 

4) Tang not drilled

5) No "W" below serial number

7) Butt plate plastic

8) Grooved reciever

March 7, 2015
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Thanks Blue Dog,

That is a 1959 vintage rifle.  You are in the survey.  Thanks for the help.   I have one that is about 200 numbers from it!

Michael

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March 21, 2015
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 3-Winchester 61s

#1 -

s/n 13853

Octagon barrel

.22 Long R. (Only)

No grooved receiver

Metal butt plate

No W near s/n

Small forend

Two screws top tang

 

#2 -

s/n 265527

Round barrel

.22 s/l/lr

Yes Grooved receiver

No W near s/n

Metal butt plate

Long forend

No screws top tang

 

#3 -

s/n 10267

Octagon barrel

.22 Long R. (Only)

No grooved receiver

No W near s/n

Missing butt plate

Long forend

Two screws top tang

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Let me know if I missed anything. V/r AMMO86

March 21, 2015
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Ammo86,

Thanks for the additional information on the three rifles.  They are in the survey!!

Michael

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March 28, 2015
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Saw a 61 at the show today:

1.  #177934

2.  Round barrel

3.  22 S, L,LR 

4.  Tang not drilled

5.  No W 

6. Plastic butt

8.  Not grooved

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Saw a 61 at the show today:

1.  #177934

2.  Round barrel

3.  22 S, L,LR 

4.  Tang not drilled

5.  No W 

6. Plastic butt

8.  Not grooved

Thanks so much for the data on the rifle.  It is about 90,000 rifles too early to have a plastic butt plate on it.

Michael

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April 18, 2015
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Model 61 smooth bore/ shot shell only. Number 7106. How scarce are shot shell only ? Round barrel

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