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Model 61 Research Survey
April 3, 2016
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Michael,

1) Serial number 215439

2) Round barrel

3) .22 SL or LR  

4) Tang not drilled

5) No "W" below serial number (1954 rifle)

7)Checkered steel  Butt plate 

8) Grooved receiver

Regards  Dan

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Michael,

1) Serial number 215439

2) Round barrel

3) .22 SL or LR  

4) Tang not drilled

5) No "W" below serial number (1954 rifle)

7)Checkered steel  Butt plate 

8) Grooved receiver

Regards  Dan

Hello Dan,

Thanks so much for the information on the rifle.  I only have 2 rifles with grooved receivers earlier than yours!  An early 1954 vintage rifle.

Michael

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April 6, 2016
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renegade said

Did you get the serial number for the Routledge (NIB) that Dave Riffle has on his web site??? I think he has sold it for around $15K


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Did you get the serial number for the Routledge (NIB) that Dave Riffle has on his web site??? I think he has sold it for around $15K

Hello,

I did not get that rifle.  I am traveling in New Zealand for another month so my internet time is a but restricted.  If you could pass it along I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

Michael

Sorry Michael

I meant Steve Barnett, (not Dave Riffle)

The serial number is #46632, Routledge bore, matted receiver, rectangular loading port, "W", in original box, D & T, Steel Butt,

April 6, 2016
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How close are you getting to 4000 rifles?

 

I have now recorded 60 of the 77 Routledge Bores serial numbers. We should compare notes regarding them.

April 7, 2016
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Renegade,

I did catch that rifle and it is entered in my data.  I have right at 3600 rifles in the spreadsheet.

Michael

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April 30, 2016
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Michael,

 

Here's one I picked up this week.

 

1) Serial number 339655

2) Round barrel

3) .22 S, L or LR  

4) Tang not drilled

5) No "W" below serial number

7)  Plastic butt plate 

8) Grooved receiver

 

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April 30, 2016
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P W Miller said

Michael,

 

Here's one I picked up this week.

 

1) Serial number 339655

2) Round barrel

3) .22 S, L or LR  

4) Tang not drilled

5) No "W" below serial number

7)  Plastic butt plate 

8) Grooved receiver

 

Phil

Thanks Phil.

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May 23, 2016
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Serial #179268

Round Barrel

.22 S, L, & LR

Tang not drilled

No W

Steel Butt Plate

Receiver not grooved

May 23, 2016
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JT said
Serial #179268

Round Barrel

.22 S, L, & LR

Tang not drilled

No W

Steel Butt Plate

Receiver not grooved  

Thanks JT.  

Was that out of Greenville, NC on Gunbroker?

Michael

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May 31, 2016
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Yep! Why?.....

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JT said
Yep! Why?.....  

No real reason.  I keep track of where I have seen the rifles in the survey and it is interesting how many get resold in a relatively short period of time.

Michael

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June 1, 2016
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Ok, you had me worried!!!! Looks to be in beautiful condition. Thanks!

June 10, 2016
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SN 311429 noW s,l,lr not tapped, Round barrel, not grooved , plastic butt plate. May have been reblued a while ago.

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Vince said
SN 311429 noW s,l,lr not tapped, Round barrel, not grooved , plastic butt plate. May have been reblued a while ago.  

Thanks Vince.  Your rifle is in the survey.  I am just a few rifles short of 3700 entries now.  You note it is "not grooved."  I am referring to the receiver top being grooved for a clamp on scope mount.  Yours should be.

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June 10, 2016
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twobit said

Thanks Vince.  Your rifle is in the survey.  I am just a few rifles short of 3700 entries now.  You note it is "not grooved."  I am referring to the receiver top being grooved for a clamp on scope mount.  Yours should be.

Michael  

Mike,
THat's a lot of recorded rifles. This one is not mine, just one I handled recently. I didn't remember it as being grooved for a tipoff but I do find I suffer from CRS. I think.

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June 10, 2016
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Michael,

I don't know if you have this one or not---I sent this info to you via private email, probably a couple of years ago, when you happened to be away from home.  You never did confirm that you received it, so I'll report again.

I purchased this one in the fall of 1953 or 54 for $47.55.  The cartridge cut off has been replaced three times and the extractor twice.  For 4 years, when I was in high school, most every weekend from November through March, the rifle had at least a brick of LR HP's through it, shooting jackrabbits---ball park guess, in excess of 40,000 rounds. That was in the day when you could buy a brick for $3.25 or a box for 35cents, but we were getting 35cents for a jackrabbit carcass---kept us in gas and ammo. 

serial number 215383

round barrel

.22 SL or LR  

tang not drilled

no W

checkered steel butt plate

 Grooved receiver

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Hello HPD,

No I did not have this rifle in my database.  I have only 2 rifles with lower serial numbers that have a grooved receiver top.  Those may have been ones laying around and then used.  They are SN 213677 and 214159.  After your rifle every rifle has a grooved receiver top.  This is an example of Winchester instituting a change and not having a long transition period from the old to new styles.  It appears that by 1954 the factory was much more of a first in first out run place.

With as much shooting as you did you must have been a terror on the jackrabbits!!  Do you have an old photo with you, the rifle, and a pile of bunnies?

Thanks so much

Michael

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June 11, 2016
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High Plains Drifter,

Now that Winchester has history and character. Neat story.

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June 11, 2016
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Michael,

Sorry to say, I don't have a pic of the rifle with a pile of rabbits.  In my growing up years, about the only time you'd see a camera was at family gatherings.

On the other hand, there are several rabbit drive videos on the net.  The following video is from 1934 and the 50's were comparable, with one exception.  In the dust bowl days of the 30's the rabbits were everywhere---in the 50's similar densities were seen only in creek/river bottoms and unfarmed draws that grew up in weeds/grasses.  The problem in the 30's was that, even though people had firearms, few had the disposable income to buy ammo.  The drives were an alternative to reduce populations.

It was pretty rare that 4 or 5 of us weren't together shooting rabbits on weekends.  Typically, we'd shoot 150+ in an afternoon and the day wasn't over until everyone had burned their brick of ammo.  On Monday, on my way to school, I'd drop off the rabbits at a gas station in town that had a corn crib set up to contain the rabbits.  When the crib was full, the station would call mink farmers in North/South Dakota---they would come in semi's, haul them back, grind 'em up(bones, fur and all) to feed to their mink as a protein supplement.

I apologize for the post not being strictly about Winchester, so to validate, I'll report another 61 I once owned, SN 322121, same configuration as 215383 but with composition butt plate.

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HPD,

The video is amazing.  I traveled to New Zealand for 5 weeks earlier this spring (their fall) and on one of the hikes I was on we were pushing rabbits in front of us for an hour.  There were little white tails all over the place.   I must say my mind strayed to the possibility of doing a bit of helpful pest control with a nice little Model 61 rifle!!  Thanks for the info on the additional rifle.

Michael

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