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Model 61 Research Survey
July 2, 2016
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Serial #33290

Taped

Steel Butt

Short Forearm

S, L, LR (round)

July 2, 2016
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Not sure if you already had these from my collection...........

 

#276095              22 shot                 Round   1958      Sighted shot, Grooved, Plastic Butt, non-counter bore      

#27688                 s,l,lr                    Round   1937      Pre War, Taped, NICKEL, Steel Butt, Short Forearm

#74525                 s,l,lr                    Round   1947      Silver Plated, Steel Butt, Long Forearm,   

#293955              22 mag                 Round   1961      Nickel, Plastic Butt                                                       

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renegade said
Not sure if you already had these from my collection...........

 

#276095              22 shot                 Round   1958      Sighted shot, Grooved, Plastic Butt, non-counter bore      

#27688                 s,l,lr                    Round   1937      Pre War, Taped, NICKEL, Steel Butt, Short Forearm

#74525                 s,l,lr                    Round   1947      Silver Plated, Steel Butt, Long Forearm,   

#293955              22 mag                 Round   1961      Nickel, Plastic Butt                                                         

Hello Renegade,

Thanks so much for the information on your 4 rifles.  They are all new to my dataset!

Michael

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July 2, 2016
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Hello All,

Thanks to everyone who has helped me with this effort over the years.  I currently have just over 3700 rifles in the data set.  This is not possible without the help and enthusiasm of many more people than just myself.  This is a survey for all of us.  When I set out to do this work my intention was to try to determine the percentages of the various chamber and barrel configurations that were offered for this rifle.  Of course it began to grow over to time to include a few other configuration details.  And now, as "late in the game" as it is I am going to attempt to add when the slide length changed from the early short version to the longer style.  So if you have given me information on your rifle and it is below SN 75000 please send me an email or post here the serial number and the style of slide that you have on the rifle.

Thanks so much

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Hi,

I was gifted with an old friend's 61 when he passed away. s/n 258741, round barrel, stamped '22 SL OR LR.', no drilling on the tang, no W or a under the serial number, checkered steel buttpad, grooved reciver with a nice Weaver V22-4 mounted. Thanks for the info on the history.

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carl eliseo said
Hi,

I was gifted with an old friend's 61 when he passed away. s/n 258741, round barrel, stamped '22 SL OR LR.', no drilling on the tang, no W or a under the serial number, checkered steel buttpad, grooved reciver with a nice Weaver V22-4 mounted. Thanks for the info on the history.  

Hello carl,

Thanks so much for the information on the rifle.  The rifle was manufactured during 1958.  The checkered steel butt plate started to be replaced by the black plastic version during 1958 and by late 1959 almost all butt plate were plastic.  The rest of the rifle is typical for the serial number range.

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August 17, 2016
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I have #113944

Rounded barrel

checkered steel

22 S.L. Or L.R. Stamped on the barrell

August 18, 2016
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Moderators, 

The OCD in me (aka the voices in my head) say this thread probably should be in the "Winchester Research Survey" section.

It doesn't really matter to me, I am just trying to keep the voices happy......

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JWA said
Moderators, 

The OCD in me (aka the voices in my head) say this thread probably should be in the "Winchester Research Survey" section.

It doesn't really matter to me, I am just trying to keep the voices happy......

Thanks,  

Jeff,

You just gave me the best chuckle of the day... accordingly, I listened to the voices in your head and moved the entire topic.

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Thanks Bert,

I can sleep soundly tonight, all is right in the WACA world!

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Jdavis1991 said

I have #113944

Rounded barrel

checkered steel

22 S.L. Or L.R. Stamped on the barrell  

Thank you so much for the help.  Your rifle was manufactured during late 1948.

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Hello Guys,

I was asked by someone what the total number of Model 61 magnums produced was so I did a little calculating and thought I might also post the information here for everyone else to use.

The magnum version of the Model 61 was introduced during 1960 and therefore made for the last 4 years of production. Based on the data I have collected the production range is from SN 284081 (the earliest magnum chambered SN I have catalogued) to SN 349288, ( the last magnum recorded and also the highest serial number I have) for a total production range stretching over of 65,207 rifles. In this range I have catalogued a total of 969 representative rifles of which 653, or 67.4% are magnums. That percentage of the total 65207 would result in 42,189 magnums having been produced between mid 1960 and the end of production in 1963.

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1. #334377

2. Round Barrel

3. Model 61

   22 S.L. Or L.R.

4. Not taped

5. No W

6. No A

7. Black Plastic

8. Yes it is grooved.

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James Williams said
1. #334377

2. Round Barrel

3. Model 61

   22 S.L. Or L.R.

4. Not taped

5. No W

6. No A

7. Black Plastic

8. Yes it is grooved.  

Thank you very much James!  

Every rifle entered is another little piece of the puzzle.  I will never get all +/- 350,000 pieces, but I hope to at least be able to tell others "what the picture is" and describe some details based on the work.  Your rifle was produced during 1962.  Only the Magnums at this time had the suscript A at the SN.  All rifles at this time had grooved receiver tops.

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January 30, 2017
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Michael

I had a good day at the gun show today. Picked up a couple pre-war M61's, one of them quite early. Also, I think you already have my octagon #13650?

New today......

1. 695

2. round

3. .22 S.L .& LR.

4. upper tang drilled & tapped

5. No "W"

6. N/A

7. butt plate checkered steel 

8. N/A

Extras - Lyman #2 tang sight, W61 style

 

1. 26716

2. round

3. .22 S.L .& LR.

4. upper tang drilled & tapped

5. No "W"

6. N/A

7. butt plate checkered steel 

8. N/A

~Gary~

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Michael

I had a good day at the gun show today. Picked up a couple pre-war M61's, one of them quite early. Also, I think you already have my octagon #13650?

New today......

1. 695

2. round

3. .22 S.L .& LR.

4. upper tang drilled & tapped

5. No "W"

6. N/A

7. butt plate checkered steel 

8. N/A

Extras - Lyman #2 tang sight, W61 style

 

1. 26716

2. round

3. .22 S.L .& LR.

4. upper tang drilled & tapped

5. No "W"

6. N/A

7. butt plate checkered steel 

8. N/A  

Good morning Gary,

Yes, you did have a good day!!   Congratulations.  Yes I do have the OB rifle in my data.  The other two are both new additions.  Thanks.  Both rifle should have 11 groove slide handles and a perfectly flat muzzle face.  Is that true?

Thanks again.  This work would never happen without the help of others.

Michael

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twobit said

Good morning Gary,

Yes, you did have a good day!!   Congratulations.  Yes I do have the OB rifle in my data.  The other two are both new additions.  Thanks.  Both rifle should have 11 groove slide handles and a perfectly flat muzzle face.  Is that true?

Thanks again.  This work would never happen without the help of others.

Michael  

Guys,

If you don't mind me asking.  What's a fair price range on a model 61 pre-war (36,000 sn range), short forearm, round barrel, s, l, lr, with Lyman #2 tang sight with cup,  in  98% to 99% condition.  The reason I ask is that I have a friend who wants to sell me one, and I want to have an idea of a fair price for both of us.

Thanks,

Al

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twobit said

Good morning Gary,

Yes, you did have a good day!!   Congratulations.  Yes I do have the OB rifle in my data.  The other two are both new additions.  Thanks.  Both rifle should have 11 groove slide handles and a perfectly flat muzzle face.  Is that true?

Thanks again.  This work would never happen without the help of others.

Michael  

Michael

Yes, they are both 11 groove and have flat, in the white, muzzles. Glad to help.

tionesta1 said

Guys,

If you don't mind me asking.  What's a fair price range on a model 61 pre-war (36,000 sn range), short forearm, round barrel, s, l, lr, with Lyman #2 tang sight with cup,  in  98% to 99% condition.  The reason I ask is that I have a friend who wants to sell me one, and I want to have an idea of a fair price for both of us.

Thanks,

Al  

Al

I had an opportunity to  buy a 98%+ M61 that was a later grooved version for $1350 that I passed on to buy these other two (which are more like 85-90% guns). I don't know if I've seen a pre-war lately in that kind of condition, but I would guess around $1800-$2000 without the Lyman sight, Those sights are not easy to find, or cheap. I think I would add around $300 for the sight. I don't actively seek out 61's, but have recently remembered how much I like them.

My good friend up in WY, (Win61 on the forum) might have a better idea what they are bringing. He's my 61 go-to guy.

~Gary~

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Al:

      Gary is right on with the price of a 98-99% pre-war 61 - $1800-$2000. Although I have not seen a pre-war in that kind of condition for sometime. Be sure it has not been refurbished ( as they say ) there seems to be some of those showing up. The lyman sight in excellent condition is going in the $300 range.

           RR 

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Hello,

Sorry for the lag time for the reply.  I went fishing!  The gun would have to be REALLY PERFECT and the sight will combine to justify a $2000 price tag.  Otherwise I would tend to say about 10 to 15% less than that.  But, you also have to ask yourself when will get another chance for this sort of gun and "it's only money"

Michael

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