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Hey Bert, do you have sn156458 for my 1886?

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Yes we do have it… a standard Take Down 33 WCF rifle, 1/2 mag, HRSB.

Thanks for checking.  Currently, we have 1,269 of the final 14,000 Model 1886s documented (9.06%).  I also have the article for the WACA Collector magazine 99% complete and ready to publish.

Bert

  

Nice! Well I took the opportunity to take it apart anyways, glad I did, I knocked back some active rust at the takedown threads. Took a few pics I can PM if you want/need them…otherwise, what does HRSB stand for?

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Jeremy P said

Bert H. said

Jeremy P said

Hey Bert, do you have sn156458 for my 1886?

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Yes we do have it… a standard Take Down 33 WCF rifle, 1/2 mag, HRSB.

Thanks for checking.  Currently, we have 1,269 of the final 14,000 Model 1886s documented (9.06%).  I also have the article for the WACA Collector magazine 99% complete and ready to publish.

Bert  

Nice! Well I took the opportunity to take it apart anyways, glad I did, I knocked back some active rust at the takedown threads. Took a few pics I can PM if you want/need them…otherwise, what does HRSB stand for?  

Please send the pictures to my personal email – [email protected]

HRSB = Hard Rubber Shotgun Butt

The following is the Glossary table in the Model 1886 survey;

Glossary
CCH   Case Color Hardened
CSSB   Checkered Steel Shotgun Butt
Eng   Engraved
H-CS   H pattern checkering
HRSB   Hard Rubber Shotgun Butt
I-CS   I pattern checkering
N.S.   Nickel Steel
Oct   Octagon
PL PG   Plain Pistol Grip
P.S.   Proof Steel
RRSB   Red Rub Shotgun Butt pad
Rd   Round
Set   Set trigger
SF   Solid Frame
SGB   Shotgun Butt
S.S.   Stainless Steel
SSSB   Smooth Steel Shotgun Butt
TD   Take Down

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Perfect, thanks!

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Hi Bert-

     Don’t know if you are still collecting info on late 1886s   but here is one for your survey if you dont already have it :     Serial no. 159945   it is a .33 Win, 1/2 mag take down  Shotgun hard rubber butt  . The bbl is Nickel Steel and has the MODEL 1886  roll stamp on the right side of the bbl 

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     Don’t know if you are still collecting info on late 1886s   but here is one for your survey if you dont already have it :     Serial no. 159945   it is a .33 Win, 1/2 mag take down  Shotgun hard rubber butt  . The bbl is Nickel Steel and has the MODEL 1886  roll stamp on the right side of the bbl 

  

That serial number was not yet documented.  Is the lower tang marked with an “A” after the serial number?  

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Yes it does in fact have an A  after it   What is the highest serial number you have found so far ?

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Yes it does in fact have an A  after it   What is the highest serial number you have found so far ?

  

We have S/Ns 159956, 159957, 159991, 159992, & 159996 documented after your rifle.

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Bert, my next magazine is hopefully coming soon, looking forward to the article! I had forgotten about it….

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Bert, my next magazine is hopefully coming soon, looking forward to the article! I had forgotten about it….

  

Just in case you can’t wait, it is available online here on the WACA website.

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Bert H. said 

Just in case you can’t wait, it is available online here on the WACA website.

 

 Yeah I know, I just kind of like the old-school nature of reading a real magazine for once….I miss them in general!
  

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Just in case you can’t wait, it is available online here on the WACA website.

 

 Yeah I know, I just kind of like the old-school nature of reading a real magazine for once….I miss them in general!

  

  

Agreed, something about a hard copy and the great photos in our magazine. Bert and Mark put a lot of work into that article and it will be a reference for the 1886 collectors among us. Reminds me that I need to get set up to load and cast for the 33WCF. 

 

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Agreed, something about a hard copy and the great photos in our magazine. Bert and Mark put a lot of work into that article and it will be a reference for the 1886 collectors among us. Reminds me that I need to get set up to load and cast for the 33WCF. 

 

 

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  Well, I know another local guy who has an extralight 1886 that would like a couple of those rounds! Laugh  My only 1886 right now, but I’m on the lookout for a nice older one too, but what am I NOT on the lookout for really….

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   Here are two more that likely are not in your survey yet that are late ones in my collection.   Serial number 157576 it is an extra light take down .45-70 with a 22″ Nickel Steel bbl. no A after serial no.  1/2 mag  hard rubber shotgun butt.     Next one is serial number 158345  and it is a .33 Win.  take down  Nickel Steel bbl.  Shotgun butt  also no  A in serial no.

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   Here are two more that likely are not in your survey yet that are late ones in my collection.   Serial number 157576 it is an extra light take down .45-70 with a 22″ Nickel Steel bbl. no A after serial no.  1/2 mag  hard rubber shotgun butt.     Next one is serial number 158345  and it is a .33 Win.  take down  Nickel Steel bbl.  Shotgun butt  also no  A in serial no.

  

Thank very much!  Yes, both rifles are new entries in the survey.

Your 45-70 ELW is most likely a 1927 production rifle. It is in a group of rifles with Stainless Steel barrels (157530, 157581, 157598, and 157730).

Can you please check the barrels dates on both of these rifles?  It only requires a quick take down and an LED flashlight to see the 2-digit year number on the barrel.

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  The 45-70 has a bbl date of 27 , the .33 is at our home in the North and I will check on that one at a later time for you

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  The 45-70 has a bbl date of 27 , the .33 is at our home in the North and I will check on that one at a later time for you

Thanks for checking… I was dead on the money with the DOM for your ELW.  I suspect the 33 WCF Take Down will be either 27 or maybe 28.

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Bert:

The late smokeless era research on the  1886 rifle in the Collector was first rate.

Glad my rifles were of some help in the research . Please keep up the good work; it is appreciated.

 

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Bert:

The late smokeless era research on the 1886 rifle in the Collector was first rate.

Glad my rifles were of some help in the research. Please keep up the good work; it is appreciated.

Ridge Marriott  

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     I was able to look at  last at the  .33  Model 86 s/n 158345  and the bbl date on that one is 24-  Not what I expected it to be at all as late of a rifle as it is-  I guess that they were using up  parts on hand at this time .  It looks all correct and original to me-

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     I was able to look at  last at the  .33  Model 86 s/n 158345  and the bbl date on that one is 24-  Not what I expected it to be at all as late of a rifle as it is-  I guess that they were using up  parts on hand at this time .  It looks all correct and original to me-

  

Thanks,

Production of the Model 1886 was very slow (small quantities per year) after the year 1906. 

Can you tell me which type marking is on the upper tang?  I suspect it will be a Type 4.

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