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Hello all,
I am cataloguing examples from the entire production period of the Model 1892 rifles. Please read the following: https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1781246/model-1892-92-production-survey#latest
You can either post information and photos here or send them directly to me via the red email address in the above link. I will be glad to answer any questions you might have about your rifles(s). Any configuration or condition is accepted. Thanks so much for the help
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
How rare is a model 1892 takedown with rifle butt that has the trap door and cleaning rod in the butt? Do you have any in your survey? There’s one in the upcoming Julia auction, SN 37362.
Thanks,
Al
As for takedowns I have not come across one yet aside from this one (having cleaning rod storage/buttplate). However, I have seen them before on 1894 rifles. Not many around. The one thing about 1892 takedown rifles is that any time you have a special order feature, or two, beyond the takedown frame, they tend to be in very limited numbers (all configurations and calibers considered).
Chris
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Hello Al,
Sorry for the long delay. I was fishing in Belize and out of touch with Winchester world. The rifle is in its original configuration. There were a fair number of 1892’s made with “rod in butt” stocks but any time you start matching that feature with other “special order” items the rarity goes up substantially.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Hello Al,
Sorry for the long delay. I was fishing in Belize and out of touch with Winchester world. The rifle is in its original configuration. There were a fair number of 1892’s made with “rod in butt” stocks but any time you start matching that feature with other “special order” items the rarity goes up substantially.
Michael
Michael,
Hope you had fun fishing. Do you have any other 1892 takedowns with “rod in butt” in your survey?
Thanks,
Al
tionesta1 said
twobit said
Hello Al,
Sorry for the long delay. I was fishing in Belize and out of touch with Winchester world. The rifle is in its original configuration. There were a fair number of 1892’s made with “rod in butt” stocks but any time you start matching that feature with other “special order” items the rarity goes up substantially.
MichaelMichael,
Hope you had fun fishing. Do you have any other 1892 takedowns with “rod in butt” in your survey?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
I have one other Model 1892 takedown in my data which had the rod in butt option.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
1892takedown said
As for takedowns I have not come across one yet aside from this one (having cleaning rod storage/buttplate). However, I have seen them before on 1894 rifles. Not many around. The one thing about 1892 takedown rifles is that any time you have a special order feature, or two, beyond the takedown frame, they tend to be in very limited numbers (all configurations and calibers considered).
Chris
Thanks Chris.
twobit said
tionesta1 said
twobit said
Hello Al,
Sorry for the long delay. I was fishing in Belize and out of touch with Winchester world. The rifle is in its original configuration. There were a fair number of 1892’s made with “rod in butt” stocks but any time you start matching that feature with other “special order” items the rarity goes up substantially.
MichaelMichael,
Hope you had fun fishing. Do you have any other 1892 takedowns with “rod in butt” in your survey?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
I have one other Model 1892 takedown in my data which had the rod in butt option.
Michael
Thanks Michael
Michael. I have Five model 92s to add
Model 92 rifle, standard- round barrel, .25-20, crescent butt plate #219045– 1904
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .44-40 #362563 –1906
Model 92 rifle round barrel .38-40, Half magazine, shotgun rear stock with hard rubber butt plate Lyman tang site attached #451753 –1908
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .44-40 #931125 –1924
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .32-20 #961806 –1926
I would love to get more info on #451753 for CFM had very little
Regards Dan
sgtsemo said
Michael. I have Five model 92s to add
Model 92 rifle, standard- round barrel, .25-20, crescent butt plate #219045– 1904
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .44-40 #362563 –1906
Model 92 rifle round barrel .38-40, Half magazine, shotgun rear stock with hard rubber butt plate Lyman tang site attached #451753 –1908
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .44-40 #931125 –1924
Model 92 saddle ring Carbine standard .32-20 #961806 –1926
I would love to get more info on #451753 for CFM had very little
Regards Dan
Hello Dan,
I love guys like you!!! Thanks so much. All five rifles are new ones for my survey! If you get some time could I please ask you to take photos of all the stamped writing and the hammer checkering on each rifle and email them to me? I have photo files on just over 4000 individual rifles and the information from yours will help fill in the holes in the data sheet for each of your rifles.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355
Thanks again and let me know if you have specific questions on any of them.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hi Michael. Looking over some of my “values” books, I see one of the most highly valued M1892’s is the Takedown model in 44 WCF. Even in plain grade, a nice one exceeds $8,000, so they must be a little on the scarce side. It would seem, one with a butt trap would be exceedingly rare and valuable. I do have a nice 1911 vintage 44 takedown, # 613252, and paid more for it than any other rifle in my collection. You see lots of small caliber takedowns, but seldom is a 44 encountered. Thanks, Big Larry
Big Larry,
I have an antique model 1892 takedown, full octagon, full mag, sn 37362,
letters as:
serial number applied on November 26, 1894
Type: Rifle
Caliber:44
Barrel Type: Octagon
Trigger: Plain
Sights Lyman combination front and rear
Takedown
Rod in Butt
Received in the warehouse May 06, 1895
Shipped from warehouse on June 04, 1895, Order number 13028
This rifle is in better than 90% condition, and my most valuable Winchester. (At least it cost me the most out of any in my collection).
Al
tionesta1 said
Big Larry,
Thanks. I don’t shoot it.
Al
Me neither. I have 4 nice ones and have only shot the 1925 carbine a few times. I do reload the 44 WCF though. Thanks, Big Larry
I have a 1892 takedown half octagon double set triggers crescent butt chambered in 25-20 wcf s/n#620814 any info on this would be great I got bit with the winchester bug a little over a year ago and can’t stop buying
eddy kondraski_1 said
I have a 1892 takedown half octagon double set triggers crescent butt chambered in 25-20 wcf s/n#620814 any info on this would be great I got bit with the winchester bug a little over a year ago and can’t stop buying
Hello Eddy,
Your rifle was manufactured during 1911. The half round barrel and double set triggers makes the configuration rather unique. Is the magazine full length or a shorter length? Could you please send me a series of photo of this rifle and any other 1892’s to my email address? [email protected] Please include details of the ares of stamped writing on the rifle.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hi Michael Do You have any idea how many Mod. 92 15″ rifles were made. I just purchased ser# 102645. It is in pretty good shape, and all there and all correct, although a brown gun and I think I got it pretty reasonable. It letters as rifle, .38 cal, round bbl. 15″ plain trigger, numbered Dec. 7, 1898 shipped Jan. 9 1899. I just bought it for resale or trade on My favorite , 1894s. Any help would be appreciated. Henry
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
Eddy,
If you could, let me know what type of buttstock (crescent, shotgun) and the magazine tube length.
In terms of the 1/2 octagon barrel it is seldom seen however most examples are in 25-20. Out of 600+ takedown rifles I have in my TD survey there are 32 with 1/2 Oct barrels (not counting the deluxe rifles). Of those 15 are 25 WCF, 7 are 32WCF, 5 in 38 WCF, and 5 in 44 WCF. Of those there are 11 with full magazines, the remainder have 1/2 mags. Even rarer are 1/2 octagon barrels with full magazines (3). What brings your rifle to the forefront is the fact that it has a set trigger. Set triggers are seldom found on takedown rifles. In my survey there are only 6 standard TD rifles with set triggers (one of which is 1/2 oct with 1/2 mag in 25-20), and 5 fancy/semi-deluxe/deluxe rifles with set triggers. I have found that the inclusion of set triggers, sling eyes, or any other special order feature or a particular configuration having one caliber or another can bring a rifle out of the common category and into the rarer category.
I appreciate any information you or anyone else could provide regarding your 92 takedown rifles. And keep the information coming for Michael as well.
Thanks,
Chris
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
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