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Bert,

Finally got another FB for your survey.

1494548

.30WCF

Serrated

Type 3

Smooth

Unknown

Probably a new entry, had been owned many years before I got it.

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Bert,

Finally got another FB for your survey.

1494548

.30WCF

Serrated

Type 3

Smooth

Unknown

Probably a new entry, had been owned many years before I got it.  

It is a new entry, and brings the survey total to 2,208.

Thanks,

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Another Flat Band for your survey

 

Serial Number: 1492638

Caliber: 32 Winchester Special

Hammer: Serrated

Receiver: Type 3

Mag Cap: Slot

Barrel date: Unknown (Most likely 1948) 

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Herk7769 said
Another Flat Band for your survey

Serial Number: 1492638

Caliber: 32 Winchester Special

Hammer: Serrated

Receiver: Type 3

Mag Cap: Slot

Barrel date: Unknown (Most likely 1948)   

Thanks, and I agree… it is a 1948 production gun.

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https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/Winchester-M-94-Carbine-32WS-SN-1413296/lotInformation/65818200

32 WS flatband 1413295 at auction.  I hope this is a new entry. Can not see the tang, magazine cap or buttplate in any of the photos. 

Kevin 

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Colsuper said
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/Winchester-M-94-Carbine-32WS-SN-1413296/lotInformation/65818200

32 WS flatband 1413295 at auction.  I hope this is a new entry. Can not see the tang, magazine cap or buttplate in any of the photos. 

Kevin   

It is a new entry.  Based on its appearance, it is a 100% standard Flat-band Carbine manufactured in 1947, Type 2 receiver, slotted mag cap.

Thanks!

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Hi Bert, I have one for you, I think. I just picked up

 

S/N 1426113 (1947)

30 WCF

Serrated

Type 2

Slotted

unk

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Steven Gabrielli said
Hi Bert, I have one for you, I think. I just picked up

S/N 1426113 (1947)
30 WCF
Serrated
Type 2
Slotted
unk  

Thanks… the barrel date is most likely “47”.

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https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/Winchester-94-30-WCF/lotInformation/65878631

1537655

30 WCF

Serrated

No photo of the magazine cap

Other than a missing section of blue on the receiver pretty nice flat band. 

I hope this is a new one for the survey.

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https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/Winchester-94-30-WCF/lotInformation/65878631

1537655
30 WCF
Serrated
No photo of the magazine cap
Other than a missing section of blue on the receiver pretty nice flat band. 

I hope this is a new one for the survey.

Kevin  

It is a new entry… thanks again for the information.

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Hey Bert,

Here’s another flat band for your books.

 I bought this about 12 years ago.

1948 30 cal. type 3 receiver with a 

serrated hammer and smooth magazine cap.

Serial no. 1494384. Very nice condition.

Good luck with your survey!

Happy New Year!

Willard H. Jr.

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It appears that Bert is still collecting info on flat bands.  Here is info on the 1894 carbine I just purchased:

S/N:         1495255  (I believe Mfg’d in 1948)

Cal:          30 WCF

Tang:        Type 3

Hammer:  Serrated

Cap:        Slotted

Barrel:     Unknown at this time

 

This is my first Winchester lever action.  I have wanted one since I was a kid a saw them in all the western/cowboy movies and shows. I am also brand new to this group.  I have some questions regarding my 1894 carbine.

I purchased the 1894 and 1895 book by Pirkle.  I believe that this book has most of the information from the Madis book, including its inaccuracies and omitted information. My questions about my carbine listed above are based upon information found in the book by Pirkle.

1) The upper tang has no markings on it exactly like the picture Bert included as his example early in the thread. Pirkle indicated that the upper tang should either have a type 7 or type 8 marking on the upper tang.  Is this one of the book’s inaccuracies?  Is an unmarked upper tang common/typical for an 1894 circa S/N 1495255? 

2)  The barrel address markings are not as indicated in the book by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicates that this rifle should have a type 2 address marking. Is this also an inaccuracy in the Pirkle book?  Is my address barrel marking “correct” for its S/N? (Picture below)

3) The barrel Model and Trade Mark markings are not as indicated by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicated that these markings should be type I.   I have included picture files of my barrel markings below.  Can someone confirm that these are correct for a 1948 1894 carbine?

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4)  A previous owner of this carbine cut off the wood stock in order to add a thick recoil pad. (and quite ugly also)  Is there any suggestions where I might find a correct butt stock for this 1948 carbine?  I’m sure they are pretty scarce.  Is it acceptable and ethical to switch out this shortened butt stock with a correct butt stock from the same era?  Would this increase the value of the rifle?

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Willard H. Jr. said
Hey Bert,

Here’s another flat band for your books.

 I bought this about 12 years ago.

1948 30 cal. type 3 receiver with a 

serrated hammer and smooth magazine cap.

Serial no. 1494384. Very nice condition.

Good luck with your survey!

Happy New Year!

Willard H. Jr.  

Thanks… it is now in the survey.

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It appears that Bert is still collecting info on flat bands.  Here is info on the 1894 carbine I just purchased:

S/N:         1495255  (I believe Mfg’d in 1948)

Cal:          30 WCF

Tang:        Type 3

Hammer:  Serrated

Cap:        Slotted

Barrel:     Unknown at this time

 

This is my first Winchester lever action.  I have wanted one since I was a kid a saw them in all the western/cowboy movies and shows. I am also brand new to this group.  I have some questions regarding my 1894 carbine.

I purchased the 1894 and 1895 book by Pirkle.  I believe that this book has most of the information from the Madis book, including its inaccuracies and omitted information. My questions about my carbine listed above are based upon information found in the book by Pirkle.

1) The upper tang has no markings on it exactly like the picture Bert included as his example early in the thread. Pirkle indicated that the upper tang should either have a type 7 or type 8 marking on the upper tang.  Is this one of the book’s inaccuracies?  Is an unmarked upper tang common/typical for an 1894 circa S/N 1495255? 

2)  The barrel address markings are not as indicated in the book by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicates that this rifle should have a type 2 address marking. Is this also an inaccuracy in the Pirkle book?  Is my address barrel marking “correct” for its S/N? (Picture below)

3) The barrel Model and Trade Mark markings are not as indicated by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicated that these markings should be type I.   I have included picture files of my barrel markings below.  Can someone confirm that these are correct for a 1948 1894 carbine?

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4)  A previous owner of this carbine cut off the wood stock in order to add a thick recoil pad. (and quite ugly also)  Is there any suggestions where I might find a correct butt stock for this 1948 carbine?  I’m sure they are pretty scarce.  Is it acceptable and ethical to switch out this shortened butt stock with a correct butt stock from the same era?  Would this increase the value of the rifle?

Any help would be much appreciated.  

First, thanks for participating in the survey.

1.  Winchester ceased marking the upper tangs of the Model 94 on August 23, 1942.  None of the Post-WW II production Model 94 Carbines were stamped on the upper tang or drilled & tapped for a tang sight.  Pirkle/Madis – erroneous information.

2 & 3.  Pirkle’s published information is erroneous, and your Carbine is correctly marked.

4.  Actually, a butt stock for your Carbine is not really that scarce.  Any Model 94 butt stock manufactured in the years 1948 – 1963 will fit your gun.  Yes it is acceptable to replace it.  It is ethical as long as you pass that information on to a prospective owner.  Yes, it will increase the value.

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Hi, Bert 

Got one for your survey.

 S/N: 1440283X (The X is stamped at the end of the S/N on the receiver for clarification) 

  25-35 WCF

  Hammer type is serrated

  Frame type is type 2 

  Magazine tube type is slotted.

  Barrel date 1947

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Hi, Bert 

Got one for your survey.

 S/N: 1440283X (The X is stamped at the end of the S/N on the receiver for clarification) 

  25-35 WCF

  Hammer type is serrated

  Frame type is type 2 

  Magazine tube type is slotted.

  Barrel date 1947  

Thanks!

As it turns out, I have two other duplicate serial numbered Model 94 Flat-bands carbines in the same serial range (1440355X and 1440474X).  It appears that the auto-indexing mechanism was in dire need of some adjustment, cleaning, and/or lubricating.  The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in July of 1947.

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1.  1511680

2.  30 WCF

3.  Serrated

4.  Type 3

5. Slotted 

6.  48

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1.  1511680

2.  30 WCF

3.  Serrated

4.  Type 3

5. Slotted 

6.  48  

Thanks for participating in the survey!

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I got my flat band carbine from my grandfather, I believe he bought it new.

1472907

30wcf

serrated hammer

type 3

slotted 

47

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Robin said
I got my flat band carbine from my grandfather, I believe he bought it new.

1472907

30wcf

serrated hammer

type 3

slotted 

47  

Per the Winchester serialization records, your grandfather’s Flat-band carbine was manufactured in early January, 1948.

Thanks for the information,

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