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Model 94 Flat Band Carbine survey
May 10, 2017
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To all,

I just recently began writing a new article for the WACA Collector magazine that will discuss the Flat Band Carbine variation on the Model 94.  I currently have 1,519 of them listed in my research survey, and I am still looking for more of them.  If you have one of more Flat Band Carbines, and would like to participate in the survey, please post the following information, or send it to me via an email message.

1.  Serial number

2.  Caliber

3.  Hammer type (e.g. checkered or serrated)

4.  Frame type (e.g. type 2 or type 3)

5.  Magazine tube type (e.g. slotted or smooth)

6.  Barrel date (if known)

 

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Bert,

This 25-35 flat band just sold on gun broker 

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/640619107

Al

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Bert,

This 25-35 flat band just sold on gun broker 

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/640619107

Al  

Al,

It does me very little good with just a partial serial number.  I really need to complete serial number to accurately record it.

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Sorry, I just looked at it again and now see that. I followed the auction for a brief period.

I think you have my flat band? sn 1425215, 32WS. Can't remember the tang type or hammer type, but can look later.

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Bert H. said
To all,

I just recently began writing a new article for the WACA Collector magazine that will discuss the Flat Band Carbine variation on the Model 94.  I currently have 1,519 of them listed in my research survey, and I am still looking for more of them.  If you have one of more Flat Band Carbines, and would like to participate in the survey, please post the following information, or send it to me via an email message.

1.  Serial number

2.  Caliber

3.  Hammer type (e.g. checkered or serrated)

4.  Frame type (e.g. type 2 or type 3)

5.  Magazine tube type (e.g. slotted or smooth)

6.  Barrel date (if known)

 

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Bert - Win1885@msn.com  

Bert, I think you have all mine?  Big Larry

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tionesta1 said
Sorry, I just looked at it again and now see that. I followed the auction for a brief period.

I think you have my flat band? sn 1425215, 32WS. Can't remember the tang type or hammer type, but can look later.

Al  

I did not.  It should be a type 2 receiver, and have a serrated hammer, and a slotted magazine tube cap. Based on the serial number, it should have a "47" date marked barrel.

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Big Larry said

Bert, I think you have all mine?  Big Larry  

I do have them.

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Bert H. said

I did not.  It should be a type 2 receiver, and have a serrated hammer, and a slotted magazine tube cap. Based on the serial number, it should have a "47" date marked barrel.

Thanks,

Bert  

Yes, type 2 receiver, serrated hammer, slotted magazine tube cap, no upper tang marking. Don't know what the barrel date is.

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Bert H. said
To all,

I just recently began writing a new article for the WACA Collector magazine that will discuss the Flat Band Carbine variation on the Model 94.  I currently have 1,519 of them listed in my research survey, and I am still looking for more of them.  If you have one of more Flat Band Carbines, and would like to participate in the survey, please post the following information, or send it to me via an email message.

1.  Serial number

2.  Caliber

3.  Hammer type (e.g. checkered or serrated)

4.  Frame type (e.g. type 2 or type 3)

5.  Magazine tube type (e.g. slotted or smooth)

6.  Barrel date (if known)

 

Thanks,

Bert - Win1885@msn.com  

Bert ;

       Should the distance from the receiver to the rear sight dovetail be listed in the variations.  The early flat-bands are 3 1/6 " - all the rest were 4". Looking forward to the article.  Win61

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Win61 said

Bert ;

       Should the distance from the receiver to the rear sight dovetail be listed in the variations.  The early flat-bands are 3 1/6 " - all the rest were 4". Looking forward to the article.  Win61  

I have not tracked that minor change on any of the 1,526 Flat Bands that I now have in the survey, and it is not a readily distinguishable feature when viewing auction listings.  It is a bit late now to attempt to track it in the survey, but I will make note of it for the article.  It would be nice to get an overhead view picture of both types side-by-side.

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What are the differences between Type 2 and 3 receivers?

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Hoping to look at one in 32WS later this morning, will take pics of the frame and magazine. Won't be able to get a barrel date. Carbine has been in the same family for quite some time so will likely be a new entry.

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Bert  Here's 3 flatbands for Your survey #1 ser#1,396,640-30w.c.f. - chekr'd hammer-slotted mag.cap type 2 rcv'r 1946 bbl.date. 2nd ser.#1,454,978 - 32w.s. - serr. hammer - slotted mag. cap type 2 1947 bbl. date. 3rd. ser#1,472,328 30w.c.f. serr. hammer slotted mag. cap type 2 1947 bbl date.   Harry

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Bruce Koligian said
What are the differences between Type 2 and 3 receivers?  

The difference is the shape/angle of the transition from the upper tang to the rear of the receiver frame.  The type 3 receiver has a much sharper (almost 90-degree) angle at the point where it transitions into the receiver frame.  The first picture is a very late pre WW II receiver with the last style upper tang marking, but no longer drilled & tapped for a tang sight.

Bert

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Henry Mero said
Bert  Here's 3 flatbands for Your survey #1 ser#1,396,640-30w.c.f. - chekr'd hammer-slotted mag.cap type 2 rcv'r 1946 bbl.date. 2nd ser.#1,454,978 - 32w.s. - serr. hammer - slotted mag. cap type 2 1947 bbl. date. 3rd. ser#1,472,328 30w.c.f. serr. hammer slotted mag. cap type 2 1947 bbl date.   Harry  

Harry,

Thank you very much.  Of significant interest, serial number 1472328 is now the highest confirmed Type 2 receiver frame.  Serial number 1473853 is the lowest confirmed (thus far) with a Type 3 receiver frame.

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1509551 serrated hammer, 32WS, type 3 frame, magazine end cap has a single slot. I don't have a bbl date. I have the gun in hand for a week or two.

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1509551 serrated hammer, 32WS, type 3 frame, magazine end cap has a single slot. I don't have a bbl date. I have the gun in hand for a week or two.  

Thanks... I have added it to the survey.  The barrel is most likely marked "48".  The survey is now up to 1,530 confirmed Flat bands.

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Model 94 "Flatband".

1,547,471   (1948)

30 W.C.F.

Serrated hammer

Type 3 Rcvr. tang

Smooth Mag cap

No barrel date.

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Model 94 "Flatband".

1,547,471   (1948)

30 W.C.F.

Serrated hammer

Type 3 Rcvr. tang

Smooth Mag cap

No barrel date.  

Your Flat band was very near the last one made (in December 1948).

Thank you for the information,

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Hello,

I just obtained my very first Winchester lever action carbine and I love it! It has a flat upper band.

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1. Serial number: 1399664

2. Caliber: 30 W.C.F.

3. Hammer: checkered

4. Type 2 frame

5. Magazine cap has a single slot

6. Barrel date: 46

(My other Winchester rifles are a Model 1907, a Model of 1917, two M1 (Garand) Rifles, and an M1 Carbine).

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