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Model 94 Flat Band Carbine survey
September 20, 2018
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john.41 said
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Picked this up at a local show last weekend.

Serial # 15195369

Caliber .30 WCF

Type 3 tang

Serrated hammer

Smooth mag cap

Not going to break it down for barrel date.

Thanks,

John  

John,

There is one too many digits in the serial number... which one does not belong?

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Mirage Flatter said
Hi Bert:

I recently received the following flat band carbine as a gift from my son.

Serial Number 1384090

Caliber 30 W.C.F.

Hammer Checkered

Frame Type 2 With No Markings or D&T Holes

Mag Tube Slotted

Barrel Date N/A   (Haven't Looked Yet)

Regards,

Scott  

Scott,

Thank you for the information.

Your Model 94 Flat-band most likely has a "46" dated barrel, as the receiver was serialized in September of 1946.

Thanks for participating in the survey,

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Bert H. said

John,

There is one too many digits in the serial number... which one does not belong?

Bert  

Sorry Bert,

Don't know where I got the 3 from. Serial #1519569

September 21, 2018
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john.41 said

Sorry Bert,

Don't know where I got the 3 from. Serial #1519569  

No problem, and thank you for the updated number.

The Flat-band survey total is now 1,790.

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Found a Model 94 flatband at local gun shop.,..... , ser no. 1538174,  32 W.C.F., Serrated hammer,  Type 3,  Smooth end cap, unk barrel date

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October 1, 2018
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Vince,

32 "W.C.F." ... are you sure ?

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Bert H. said
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32 "W.C.F." ... are you sure ?
Bert  

After I made the notes I left and stopped for lunch. While there the 32 bugged me so I went back and rechecked... 32 WCF. I had to look it up when I got home because I didn't know there was a 32 WCF 94. I guess I should go buy it, but I want a certain 22 they have. It must of been special order because it was a few years since they offered 94 in 32WCF. 

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Vince said

After I made the notes I left and stopped for lunch. While there the 32 bugged me so I went back and rechecked... 32 WCF. I had to look it up when I got home because I didn't know there was a 32 WCF 94. I guess I should go buy it, but I want a certain 22 they have. It must of been special order because it was a few years since they offered 94 in 32WCF.   

Vince,

I can say this with 99.999% certainty...  Winchester never made a Model 94 chambered for the 32 W.C.F. cartridge, especially a Flat-band.  It has to be either a 30 W.C.F., or a 32 W.S.

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Sorry for the confusion, 32-40 isn't 32wcf .

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Vince said
Sorry for the confusion, 32-40 isn't 32wcf .  

Correct!  However, if it is a Flat-band, it cannot be a 32-40.  The Flat-band Carbines were made in 30 W.C.F., 32 W.S., and 25-35 W.C.F. only.  The 32-40 was discontinued 10-years before the first Flat-band was manufactured.

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Bert,

Do you have Serial 1468757?

32 Special

type 2

serrated hammer

slotted cap

47 barrel date

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brad_@myemc.net said
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Do you have Serial 1468757?

32 Special

type 2

serrated hammer

slotted cap

47 barrel date  

I do now (it is a new entry in the survey).

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Bert

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January 20, 2019
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Just picked this up. 

Ser# 1537985

30 WCF

serrated hammer

smooth end cap

type 3 receiver. 

I haven’t taken it apart yet for the barrel date. 

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Bret said
Just picked this up. 

Ser# 1537985

30 WCF

serrated hammer

smooth end cap

type 3 receiver. 

I haven’t taken it apart yet for the barrel date.   

Thanks!

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Bert, just wondering about butt plates.  I hope to look at/ purchase a flat band tomorrow but I was told it has a hard rubber butt plate.  I thought they were steel during this time period.  Could be a replacement, I suppose, or the whole buttstock may be a replacement...  would a post 64 stock on a pre 64 type 3 receiver be very noticeable?

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

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Bert, just wondering about butt plates.  I hope to look at/ purchase a flat band tomorrow but I was told it has a hard rubber butt plate.  I thought they were steel during this time period.  Could be a replacement, I suppose, or the whole buttstock may be a replacement...  would a post 64 stock on a pre 64 type 3 receiver be very noticeable?  

Winchester used the flat checkered steel butt plates on the vast majority of the Flat-band Carbines.  There were a very small number of the early Flat-bands that had the serrated steel shotgun style butt plate.  A hard rubber (composition) butt plate could have been special ordered, but in the 2,001 specimens in my research survey, just (1) has been observed with a hard rubber butt plate, and it was on an early Flat-band with the Type 2 receiver.

I would expect a post-63 stock to fit on a pre-64 Type 3 receiver.

Please forward the serial number and other information to me after you look at/purchase it.

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Like rust, Bert never sleeps...  WILCO

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Ser# 1532414// 30 WCF// Serrated Hammer// Smooth end cap// Type 3 receiver// Hard rubber butt plate.  I'd call it 90-95%   If I work a deal, I'll let you know the barrel date.  I think I'd go to $1K...

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

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rwsem said
Ser# 1532414// 30 WCF// Serrated Hammer// Smooth end cap// Type 3 receiver// Hard rubber butt plate.  I'd call it 90-95%   If I work a deal, I'll let you know the barrel date.  I think I'd go to $1K...  

The hard rubber plate is very unusual for a Flat-band... do you have any pictures of it?

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I didn't take any but will if/ when we reach a deal.

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