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1. 1546611

2. 32 W.S.

3. Serrated

4. Type 3

5. Smooth

6. 48

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Bobbys94 said
1. 1546611

2. 32 W.S.

3. Serrated

4. Type 3

5. Smooth

6. 48  

Hello Bobby,

Your Model 94 Flat-band Carbine was manufactured in mid December, 1948.

Thank you for participating in the survey!

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Do you have 1504468. if not I’ll post the rest of the info when I get home.

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Do you have 1504468. if not I’ll post the rest of the info when I get home.

  

I do not have this serial number logged into the survey yet… please post the information.

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1.  Serial number 1504468

2.  Caliber .30 WCF

3.  Hammer type serrated

4.  Frame type type 3

5.  Magazine tube type slotted 

6.  Barrel date unknown

My apologies for the delay.

 

Was 1500000 given to Truman a flat band?

I’m assuming there are several duplicate serial numbers then. Any idea how many?

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Morgan Hillman said
1.  Serial number 1504468

2.  Caliber .30 WCF

3.  Hammer type serrated

4.  Frame type type 3

5.  Magazine tube type slotted 

6.  Barrel date unknown

My apologies for the delay.

Was 1500000 given to Truman a flat band?

I’m assuming there are several duplicate serial numbers then. Any idea how many?  

Yes, the Model 94 S/N 1500000 that was presented to Truman was a Flat-band Carbine.  Your Flat-band was manufactured in the later part of June 1948.

There are a few duplicate serial numbered guns, but they were marked with an “X” on the end of the serial number.  Thus far I have documented (64) of them.

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Bert H. said

Cole459 said

It appears that Bert is still collecting info on flat bands.  Here is info on the 1894 carbine I just purchased:

S/N:         1495255  (I believe Mfg’d in 1948)

Cal:          30 WCF

Tang:        Type 3

Hammer:  Serrated

Cap:        Slotted

Barrel:     Unknown at this time

 

This is my first Winchester lever action.  I have wanted one since I was a kid a saw them in all the western/cowboy movies and shows. I am also brand new to this group.  I have some questions regarding my 1894 carbine.

I purchased the 1894 and 1895 book by Pirkle.  I believe that this book has most of the information from the Madis book, including its inaccuracies and omitted information. My questions about my carbine listed above are based upon information found in the book by Pirkle.

1) The upper tang has no markings on it exactly like the picture Bert included as his example early in the thread. Pirkle indicated that the upper tang should either have a type 7 or type 8 marking on the upper tang.  Is this one of the book’s inaccuracies?  Is an unmarked upper tang common/typical for an 1894 circa S/N 1495255? 

2)  The barrel address markings are not as indicated in the book by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicates that this rifle should have a type 2 address marking. Is this also an inaccuracy in the Pirkle book?  Is my address barrel marking “correct” for its S/N? (Picture below)

3) The barrel Model and Trade Mark markings are not as indicated by Pirkle.  Pirkle indicated that these markings should be type I.   I have included picture files of my barrel markings below.  Can someone confirm that these are correct for a 1948 1894 carbine?

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4)  A previous owner of this carbine cut off the wood stock in order to add a thick recoil pad. (and quite ugly also)  Is there any suggestions where I might find a correct butt stock for this 1948 carbine?  I’m sure they are pretty scarce.  Is it acceptable and ethical to switch out this shortened butt stock with a correct butt stock from the same era?  Would this increase the value of the rifle?

Any help would be much appreciated.  

First, thanks for participating in the survey.

1.  Winchester ceased marking the upper tangs of the Model 94 on August 23, 1942.  None of the Post-WW II production Model 94 Carbines were stamped on the upper tang or drilled & tapped for a tang sight.  Pirkle/Madis – erroneous information.

2 & 3.  Pirkle’s published information is erroneous, and your Carbine is correctly marked.

4.  Actually, a butt stock for your Carbine is not really that scarce.  Any Model 94 butt stock manufactured in the years 1948 – 1963 will fit your gun.  Yes it is acceptable to replace it.  It is ethical as long as you pass that information on to a prospective owner.  Yes, it will increase the value.

Bert

  

Bert great information! 

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Bert,

Thank you so much for the information!

I did not know how duplicate serial numbers were handled.

It just so happens I bought a 1955 carbine with an “x” (not a flat band) that arrived this last weekend.

So as to not derail this thread, do you know if there is a thread here that discusses duplicate 94s?

Thanks!

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Bert,

Thank you so much for the information!

I did not know how duplicate serial numbers were handled.

It just so happens I bought a 1955 carbine with an “x” (not a flat band) that arrived this last weekend.

So as to not derail this thread, do you know if there is a thread here that discusses duplicate 94s?

Thanks! 

There have been a few random discussions about duplicate serial numbers, and in one of them I posted a batch of pictures showing them.  Unfortunately, the search function is rather crude and often does not produce good results.  My suggestion would be to simply start a new topic, and include the details & pictures of your “X’ marked Model 94 Carbine.  I do not mind reposting information that may have been discussed in an old post.

This is a list of the 1955 production Carbines that I have documented as duplicate serial numbers;

2134869X 94 32 WIN. SPL. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138044X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138235X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138286X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138335X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138382X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138386X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138527X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138579X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138816X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138903XX 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138915X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel
2138977X 94 30-30 WIN. Milled Yes Checkered 1955 Blank Proof Steel

Take note that almost all of them are in a relatively tight serial number range (2138xxx).  I suspect that the machinery used to stamp the serial numbers was in dire need of maintenance, as the auto-indexing of the numeral die was frequently hanging up.

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Bert,

link to a flat band at auction:https://bid.auctionbymayo.com/lot-details/index/catalog/34897/lot/5565864?url=%2Fauctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F34897%2F%3Fpage%3D1

Serial 1543653

32 WS 

Can not tell on the hammer from the photos or the frame

Non slotted mag tube cap

I may be able to look at this one next week, but work will likely not leave enough time. 

Hope this is a new entry.

Kevin 

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Bert,

link to a flat band at auction:https://bid.auctionbymayo.com/lot-details/index/catalog/34897/lot/5565864?url=%2Fauctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F34897%2F%3Fpage%3D1

Serial 1543653

32 WS 

Can not tell on the hammer from the photos or the frame

Non slotted mag tube cap

I may be able to look at this one next week, but work will likely not leave enough time. 

Hope this is a new entry.

Kevin  

It is a new entry in the survey, and it has a serrated hammer & type-3 receiver frame.  It as manufactured in December 1948 just before the flat-band barrel bands were discontinued.

Thanks,

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serial – 1472153

cal – 30 wcf

hammer – serrated

frame – ?

mag tube – slotted.

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serial – 1472153

cal – 30 wcf

hammer – serrated

frame – ?

mag tube – slotted.  

Manufactured January 1948.  Can you send me a picture showing the upper tang directly behind the hammer?

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Bert;

I was going through one of your old lists of flatbands. I found three that are not on this list so will send the info. Not sure if I previously sent them.

 S/N 1433457  Model 94  Caliber 25-35  D&T No  Butt Plate Checkered  Hammer Serrated

        1463640           94            32 WS         No                 Checkered               Serrated

        1506021           94            30 WCF       No                  Checkered              Serrated

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Bert;

I was going through one of your old lists of flatbands. I found three that are not on this list so will send the info. Not sure if I previously sent them.

 S/N 1433457  Model 94  Caliber 25-35  D&T No  Butt Plate Checkered  Hammer Serrated

        1463640           94            32 WS         No                 Checkered               Serrated

        1506021           94            30 WCF       No                  Checkered              Serrated

  

Thanks for checking… but I did indeed already have them listed.

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Please see my email Bert. 

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Hi Bert,

 I have a Winchester Model 94 with the following.

1. 1481798

2. 32 W.S.

3. Serrated

4.Type 3

5. Smooth

6. N/A

Thanks for your knowledge and help much appreciated!

Felix, 

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Hi Bert,

 I have a Winchester Model 94 with the following.

1. 1481798

2. 32 W.S.

3. Serrated

4.Type 3

5. Smooth

6. N/A

Thanks for your knowledge and help much appreciated!

Felix  

Your Model 94 Flat-Band carbine was manufactured in late February 1948, and it completely standard.

Thanks,

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1.  1511680

2.  30 WCF

3.  Serrated

4.  Type 3

5. Slotted 

6.  48

  

Hi Bert,

Would you happen to know a month of manufacture for mine?

Thanks again for what you’re doing here. 

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OD* said

1.  1511680

2.  30 WCF

3.  Serrated

4.  Type 3

5. Slotted 

6.  48

  

Hi Bert,

Would you happen to know a month of manufacture for mine?

Thanks again for what you’re doing here. 

  

July 1948.  If you want the exact date, contact Pauline Muerrle.

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