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January 26, 2011
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I don’t have that serial number yet. Is it full length mag and crescent butt? Is the fore end length 8 3/8″ and rear sight 4″ from the receiver? Do you have a letter on it? Any other features?
~Gary~
pdog72 said
I don’t have that serial number yet. Is it full length mag and crescent butt? Is the fore end length 8 3/8″ and rear sight 4″ from the receiver? Do you have a letter on it? Any other features?
SN 9031, 20″ octagon barrel, full length magazine, crescent butt, smooth straight stock, dovetailed front sight, dovetailed rear buckhorn sight, from what points are you measuring fore end and rear sight? Appears to be a 9 3/8″ forearm. Mfg 1895
I do not have a letter on this one yet. It does have checkered hammer, take down model, all patina. Top barrel marking is faint stamp, Manufactured by Winchester Repeating Arms Company New Haven Conn USA.
Scott
January 26, 2011
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The fore-end measurement is just the wood measurement between the frame and the nose cap. It sounds like you have the long wood, which makes it a bit suspect but not necessarily incorrect. Only about 20% of the short rifles surveyed have the longer (standard length) wood. With the 9 3/8″ wood, your rear sight dovetail should be 5″ from the frame. A Cody search would clear up whether its original or not. If it is, that’s quite a cool rifle being an early 20″ TD in 38-55. Maybe post some pictures if you get time.
~Gary~
What’s the lowest serial number of a known short rifle without a later cut barrel?
January 26, 2011
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mrcvs said
What’s the lowest serial number of a known short rifle without a later cut barrel?
The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.
~Gary~
pdog72 said
The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.
Yes I since located my copy of your survey and that’s what it says.
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pdog72 said
The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.
Gary,
Serial number 1248 is the lowest serial number I have with a “short” barrel. It is a First Model, and I believe that was “first” Model 1894 “Short” rifle manufactured. I have attached an old CFM research sheet with the ledger information…
Bert
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January 26, 2011
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I didn’t see the attachment you reference, but I would sure be interested in hearing about #1248. I can run a Cody search if I need to.
~Gary~
pdog72 said
I didn’t see the attachment you reference, but I would sure be interested in hearing about #1248. I can run a Cody search if I need to.
Gary,
The attachment is a PDF, and you have to actually click on it to open it. I sent you an email with the same attachment (which is a CFM research sheet).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Gary. I don’t know if you have this on your survey: 30 WCF; 20 inch octagon barrel; full mag; crescent butt; ser no 396679;
8 3/8 inch wood; rear sight 4 inch from front of receiver.
Pat
January 26, 2011
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Pat,
Yes I do and I have it noted from the CGCA show. I recall logging a couple of yours and maybe one that belonged to a friend of yours from that show.
~Gary~
I believe you have this rifle, ser. #667126, in your list. I thought I would add pictures with the saddle scabbard it came with. 38-55 ca. 16″ Nickel Steel barrel. It has the 7 3/8″ forend. Roger B.
January 26, 2011
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Roger,
Yes, I had that one listed but don’t think I’ve ever seen it before. That’s leaning towards the Holy Grail for shorties. Very cool and thanks for sharing. I love it.
~Gary~
January 26, 2011
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I saw that one too ……. and already added it. Thanks for checking.
~Gary~
January 26, 2011
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A new one ………. thx Don.
~Gary~
Hi Gary,
I came across another 1894 short rifle today. Do you have this one in your survey? Serial number is 327568.
https://www.thewinchestergrove.com/1894/327xxx.htm
Don
January 26, 2011
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That’s a new one. Not exactly up to Dons (yours or his) standards, but a good survey specimen. Thank you.
~Gary~
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