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1894 Short Rifle examples wanted
September 17, 2020
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I don’t have that serial number yet. Is it full length mag and crescent butt? Is the fore end length 8 3/8″ and rear sight 4″ from the receiver? Do you have a letter on it? Any other features?

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September 17, 2020
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pdog72 said
I don’t have that serial number yet. Is it full length mag and crescent butt? Is the fore end length 8 3/8″ and rear sight 4″ from the receiver? Do you have a letter on it? Any other features?  

SN 9031, 20″ octagon barrel, full length magazine, crescent butt, smooth straight stock, dovetailed front sight, dovetailed rear buckhorn sight,  from what points are you measuring fore end and rear sight?  Appears to be a 9 3/8″ forearm.  Mfg 1895

I do not have a letter on this one yet.   It does have checkered hammer, take down model, all patina.  Top barrel marking is faint stamp, Manufactured by Winchester Repeating Arms Company New Haven Conn USA. 

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September 18, 2020
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The fore-end measurement is just the wood measurement between the frame and the nose cap. It sounds like you have the long wood, which makes it a bit suspect but not necessarily incorrect. Only about 20% of the short rifles surveyed have the longer (standard length) wood. With the 9 3/8″ wood, your rear sight dovetail should be 5″ from the frame. A Cody search would clear up whether its original or not. If it is, that’s quite a cool rifle being an early 20″ TD in 38-55. Maybe post some pictures if you get time. 

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September 18, 2020
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What’s the lowest serial number of a known short rifle without a later cut barrel?

September 18, 2020
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What’s the lowest serial number of a known short rifle without a later cut barrel?  

The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.

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September 18, 2020
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pdog72 said

The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.  

Yes I since located my copy of your survey and that’s what it says.

September 18, 2020
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pdog72 said

The lowest one I have in the survey is 3559, a 22″ 38-55 that letters.  

Gary,

Serial number 1248 is the lowest serial number I have with a “short” barrel.  It is a First Model, and I believe that was “first” Model 1894 “Short” rifle manufactured.   I have attached an old CFM research sheet with the ledger information…

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September 19, 2020
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I didn’t see the attachment you reference, but I would sure be interested in hearing about #1248. I can run a Cody search if I need to. 

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pdog72 said
I didn’t see the attachment you reference, but I would sure be interested in hearing about #1248. I can run a Cody search if I need to.   

Gary,

The attachment is a PDF, and you have to actually click on it to open it.  I sent you an email with the same attachment (which is a CFM research sheet).

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September 19, 2020
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Gary. I don’t know if you have this on your survey: 30 WCF; 20 inch octagon barrel; full mag; crescent butt; ser no 396679;

8 3/8 inch wood; rear sight 4 inch from front of receiver.

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September 20, 2020
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Pat,

Yes I do and I have it noted from the CGCA show. I recall logging a couple of yours and maybe one that belonged to a friend of yours from that show. 

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SHORTIES-007.JPGImage EnlargerSHORTIES-008.JPGImage EnlargerI believe you have this rifle, ser. #667126, in your list.  I thought I would add pictures with the saddle scabbard it came with.  38-55 ca. 16″ Nickel  Steel barrel.  It has the 7 3/8″ forend.  Roger B.

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Roger, 

Yes, I had that one listed but don’t think I’ve ever seen it before. That’s leaning towards the Holy Grail for shorties. Very cool and thanks for sharing. I love it.

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Hi Gary,

I came across this one on GB. Is it in your survey?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880415295

October 8, 2020
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I saw that one too ……. and already added it. Thanks for checking.

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Gary,

Here’s another 1894 short rifle for the survey:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/882486168

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October 27, 2020
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A new one ………. thx Don.

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Hi Gary,

I came across another 1894 short rifle today.  Do you have this one in your survey? Serial number is 327568.

https://www.thewinchestergrove.com/1894/327xxx.htm

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November 4, 2020
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That’s a new one. Not exactly up to Dons (yours or his) standards, but a good survey specimen. Thank you. 

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