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1894 Short Rifle examples wanted
February 21, 2015
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I am looking for Model 1894 short rifle examples to add to the database "94shorties" started a while back. I know some of you contributed to the survey already but quite a few of the entries are incomplete, with some only showing the barrel length and fore arm length. I think the original survey was focused mainly on the debate about forearm lengths on these rifles, but I have recently taken his information and created several tables showing trends in the other features on the shorter than standard 1894's.

I you would like to contribute to the study, please PM me, or you can post them right here and I will see if they are already in the list. Obviously, factory original examples are what we are looking for, so if you think backyard bubba worked on yours, its not wanted. There are currently 135 short rifles on the list.

Here are the details that I would like to have to enter them:

  1. complete serial number
  2. barrel length (24" or shorter)
  3. forearm length (7 3/8", 8 3/8", 9 3/8") for the shorter variations, is the rear sight dovetail moved back an inch?
  4. barrel type (round, octagon, 1/2 octagon)
  5. magazine length (full, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4)
  6. takedown?
  7. extra lightweight? if so, is the front sight dovetailed, or ramp style?
  8. butt (crescent, shotgun, carbine, swiss)
  9. caliber
  10. any other special order features (checkering, pistol grip, etc.)

If you want to post some pictures, I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing some cool little short rifles.

Thanks in advance for your help with the study.

~Gary~

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February 21, 2015
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Gary,

In my survey of serial numbers 354000 - 1000000, I have (71) short rifles listed. Unfortunately, I did not record all of the details you are seeking, but I do have most of the information.  If you are interested, send me an email message.

Bert

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February 22, 2015
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Gary,

Got one that may make it into your survey.  Its a neat little rifle and shoots great too.  While the letter doesnt mention the rear barrel sight, it is a 3 leaf express sight with platinum inlays. Front sight is a Lyman #4 ivory bead front sight, Lyman 21 receiver sight. 9 3/8" forearm.

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February 22, 2015
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Chris, that is one you already gave me, but nice to see a picture of it. That's a great looking gun, and I think the Lyman 21's always look good on the '94s.

Thanks for posting.

~Gary~

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February 22, 2015
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Gary,

I posted pictures of this one on the old forum  so I don't know if you got the information.

Bob

  • Serial number 514956
  • 22" 1/2 Octagon
  • Full mag
  • forearm is 8 3/8"
  • Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4" from the receiver
  • Crescent butt
  • 30 caliber
  • Pistol grip checked wood
  • Engraved #9 pattern
  • Double set trigger

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February 22, 2015
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Bob,

That one was not in the list yet, so thanks for posting. Another fantastic rifle, what a beauty.

~Gary~

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February 22, 2015
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These WACA members provided rifles with very limited information showing only barrel length and forearm length. If any of you care to share the rest of the information requested above it would sure help fill in some of the blanks. Thanks.

oldtimemainer, Floyd58523, Dane62, Mikec

~Gary~

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February 23, 2015
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Bob

I remember seeing that rifle reading back on the old forum.  It's a beautiful 1894.

Brad

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February 23, 2015
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Brad,

I don't know if you remember the story with it, that was the one I got with the cut of the cards.

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February 24, 2015
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Hi Bob

Remind me to never play cards with you! I would be interested in that story.

Walter

February 24, 2015
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Hi 

Here are 2 more.

1894

647546

16in oct barrel

30WCF

7 3/8 forearm

Carbine sights

Madis book

 

192820

Rifle

30 WCF

Barrel round

22 in

Extra light

Plain , Pistol Grip, Checkered

Lyman front and rear, Lyman leaf 

1/2 Mag

Shotgun Butt Rubber

Takedown

Shipped 1903

 Thanks

Walter

 

PS How many 1894 16 in Rifles are in your survey?

192820 Also threaded for Maxim- not listed in the search

February 24, 2015
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I believe that 1903 was too early for a Maxim silencer.

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February 24, 2015
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Hi Bert,

Only 1 gun will  letter with a Factory installed maxim silencer.

Walter

February 24, 2015
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wallyb said

Hi 

Here are 2 more.

1894

647546

16in oct barrel

30WCF

7 3/8 forearm

Carbine sights

Madis book

 

192820

Rifle

30 WCF

Barrel round

22 in

Extra light

Plain , Pistol Grip, Checkered

Lyman front and rear, Lyman leaf 

1/2 Mag

Shotgun Butt Rubber

Takedown

Shipped 1903

 Thanks

Walter

 

PS How many 1894 16 in Rifles are in your survey?

192820 Also threaded for Maxim- not listed in the search

Walter, thanks for the info.

I already had 647546 from the Madis book.

On the other one, do you have the fore-end length? And does it have a ramped or dovetailed front sight? BTW -  I have another one in my list that is threaded for silencer non-factory, I assume. I will add that as a note.

There are (5) 16" rifles so far.

~Gary~

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February 24, 2015
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Hi Gary

1894 192820

Ramp front sight

8 3/8 forearm

I checkering

Walter

February 24, 2015
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Gary,

Just saw this one on Gun Broker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=469491392

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SN 273334, sn applied on July 13, 1905

Caliber 30

Barrel type round

barrel length 22 inches

extra light

trigger plain

checkered stock, pistol grip

2/3 magazine

take down

oil finish

received in warehouse September 06, 1907, shipped from warehouse September 06, 1907

It even has the error patent date of August 14, 1894.

Al

February 25, 2015
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Al,

I already stumbled upon that one when it first listed but I thank you for checking with me. I noticed the patent error date right away and the seller did not mention it at first, but clearly one more nice attribute to an already appealing rifle. That one will go on my list of "someday" rifles. Very cool.

~Gary~

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February 25, 2015
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wallyb said

Hi Gary

1894 192820

Ramp front sight

8 3/8 forearm

I checkering

Walter

Thanks Walter, those extra details sure help.

~Gary~

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February 25, 2015
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Al,

I already stumbled upon that one when it first listed but I thank you for checking with me. I noticed the patent error date right away and the seller did not mention it at first, but clearly one more nice attribute to an already appealing rifle. That one will go on my list of "someday" rifles. Very cool.

I've seen this rifle before, but cannot remember where or when.  Do you think the inscribed name on the left side of the receiver is factory??

February 25, 2015
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If it was factory, it would of been on the letter and the engraving looks fairly fresh. He was 12 years old  when the gun was shipped, not to many 12 year olds would get a new 94 back then. Now he did have a son by the same name Corneilius A Wood jr.

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