Avatar
Please consider registering
Guest
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Register Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
1894 Short Rifle examples wanted
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
181
April 3, 2020 - 2:45 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I think they are 10-20% under what I would expect, even considering the premium, shipping and transfer. Maybe just another sign that the prices are depressed. The first one was probably the closest to what its worth. The semi-deluxe octagon was the best deal in my opinion. The last one would have been tempting as well at that price. All of them are nice little rifles. 

Just speaking for the 1894 short rifles and my survey findings:   An ELW octagon barrel is a scarce feature (~12%) as most were round. The 3/4 mags on the last two are fairly rare as well (only about 11%). On the last one, it just has a nice look to it with the crescent butt (around 15%) and the 3/4 mag. Most all of the ’94 ELW’s were shotgun butts. 

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1182
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
182
April 4, 2020 - 1:06 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

My take on these three is that they probably all sold for less than they really are worth, but maybe the first one (Lot 15) might have sold for less under what really worth than the other two.  That’s because condition holds value, and this was proven in this auction.  The second one presented has some pitting and less bluing, and the third one has less bluing than the first.  Over time, the first one will hold value better.  Too bad it didn’t have a half round half octagon barrel and/or wasn’t chambered in .38-55 or .32-40.

Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1338
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
183
April 6, 2020 - 4:10 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Hi Gary,

I found another on GB. Zooming in on the photo, it looks like serial# 47582.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864044164

Don

Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1338
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1338
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
185
April 9, 2020 - 3:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Found another on Gunbroker:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864689489

Don

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3507
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
186
April 9, 2020 - 5:39 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I don’t think the last one is a short rifle? Is a 24″ really considered as one?

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12717
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
187
April 9, 2020 - 6:41 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Chuck said
I don’t think the last one is a short rifle? Is a 24″ really considered as one?  

Chuck,

Unless the barrel is at least 26-inches long (standard length), it is correctly classed as a “Short” rifle.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3507
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
188
April 10, 2020 - 5:38 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Bert H. said

Chuck,

Unless the barrel is at least 26-inches long (standard length), it is correctly classed as a “Short” rifle.

Bert  

Other than the shorter barrel do these have any of the other features of a short rifle, like the shorter forearm?  I know it was a special order.

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
189
April 10, 2020 - 5:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Hi Chuck

In my survey, the 24″ rifles all have the normal length fore-arm. Its when we get down to the 22″ lengths that we start to see the short fore-arm at approx. 82% of the pool.

And to add to Bert’s comment, there were no “short rifles” cataloged so to me its just a collectors term. For the purposes of my survey, anything under the standard length has been included, including the ELW versions. 

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
190
April 10, 2020 - 5:55 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

I found another on GB. Zooming in on the photo, it looks like serial# 47582.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864044164

Don  

This particular one does not letter correctly, so I wont be adding it. It has a later R&R, but still has some anomalies. I do like the configuration though. It would make a cool shooter. 

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
191
April 10, 2020 - 6:01 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

deerhunter said
Here’s another listed on GI today:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1894-pre-64/winchester-1894-32-40-take-down-short-rifle.cfm?gun_id=101417289#sm-12

Don  

New one ………. a little rough, but good survey data.

Thx.

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
192
April 10, 2020 - 6:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

deerhunter said
Found another on Gunbroker:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864689489

Don  

Another new one ………. you are on a roll, thank you. 

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 492
Member Since:
February 19, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
193
April 17, 2020 - 9:02 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I thought I had seen this one listed before but here you go

437188

22″ elw

8 3/8 forearm

Half mag/takedown

Checkered stock pistol grip

Trapdoor in buttplate for cleaning rods

Sling eyes20200417_121834.jpgImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
194
April 18, 2020 - 2:17 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Manuel said
I thought I had seen this one listed before but here you go

437188

22″ elw

8 3/8 forearm

Half mag/takedown

Checkered stock pistol grip

Trapdoor in buttplate for cleaning rods

Sling eyes20200417_121834.jpgImage Enlarger  

I have it already ……. a 38-55 w/ crescent butt?

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 492
Member Since:
February 19, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
195
April 18, 2020 - 5:14 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Yes sir

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
196
April 18, 2020 - 3:18 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

That’s a great example, thanks for checking with me and showing it. Very cool!

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
RickC
Guest
Guests
197
May 16, 2020 - 1:04 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

1873man said
Gary,

I posted pictures of this one on the old forum  so I don’t know if you got the information.

Bob

  • Serial number 514956
  • 22″ 1/2 Octagon
  • Full mag
  • forearm is 8 3/8″
  • Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4″ from the receiver
  • Crescent butt
  • 30 caliber
  • Pistol grip checked wood
  • Engraved #9 pattern
  • Double set trigger

94full.jpgImage Enlarger94leftR-1.jpgImage Enlarger94rightR.jpgImage Enlarger

94barrel-3.jpgImage Enlarger94butt-1.jpgImage Enlarger94tang-3.jpgImage Enlarger  

Nice rifle Bob & that’s what I call a short rifle.

AG

Avatar
RickC
Guest
Guests
198
May 16, 2020 - 1:11 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Not sure if this one is already in the survey. Just purchased.

Serial number 602387
DOM 1913
20″ round barrel
Full mag
forearm is 8 3/8″
Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4″ from the receiver
Crescent butt
30 caliber
Marbles W1 flexible tang sight with early style locking tab
Lyman no4 hunting front sight
3 Leaf rear Express

AG

DF879B25-E11B-43CB-8EFD-C1726AD8FE29.jpegImage Enlarger

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1220
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
199
May 16, 2020 - 3:48 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I already had that one in the survey from another frequent forum poster, but thank you for checking.

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 41
Member Since:
July 27, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
200
September 16, 2020 - 8:19 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I have an 1894 take down in 38-55 with a 20″ octagon barrel. SN 9031.  Does this make your list?

Scott

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 628
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 68
Currently Browsing this Page:
2 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
1873man: 5177
clarence: 4304
TXGunNut: 3888
Chuck: 3507
steve004: 3095
twobit: 2843
Maverick: 2015
JWA: 1823
Big Larry: 1764
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 16
Topics: 10399
Posts: 89645

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1431
Members: 11499
Moderators: 3
Admins: 3
Navigation