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1894 Short Rifle examples wanted
April 3, 2020
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I think they are 10-20% under what I would expect, even considering the premium, shipping and transfer. Maybe just another sign that the prices are depressed. The first one was probably the closest to what its worth. The semi-deluxe octagon was the best deal in my opinion. The last one would have been tempting as well at that price. All of them are nice little rifles. 

Just speaking for the 1894 short rifles and my survey findings:   An ELW octagon barrel is a scarce feature (~12%) as most were round. The 3/4 mags on the last two are fairly rare as well (only about 11%). On the last one, it just has a nice look to it with the crescent butt (around 15%) and the 3/4 mag. Most all of the '94 ELW's were shotgun butts. 

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April 4, 2020
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My take on these three is that they probably all sold for less than they really are worth, but maybe the first one (Lot 15) might have sold for less under what really worth than the other two.  That's because condition holds value, and this was proven in this auction.  The second one presented has some pitting and less bluing, and the third one has less bluing than the first.  Over time, the first one will hold value better.  Too bad it didn't have a half round half octagon barrel and/or wasn't chambered in .38-55 or .32-40.

April 6, 2020
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Hi Gary,

I found another on GB. Zooming in on the photo, it looks like serial# 47582.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864044164

Don

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I don't think the last one is a short rifle? Is a 24" really considered as one?

April 9, 2020
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Chuck said
I don't think the last one is a short rifle? Is a 24" really considered as one?  

Chuck,

Unless the barrel is at least 26-inches long (standard length), it is correctly classed as a "Short" rifle.

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April 10, 2020
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Bert H. said

Chuck,

Unless the barrel is at least 26-inches long (standard length), it is correctly classed as a "Short" rifle.

Bert  

Other than the shorter barrel do these have any of the other features of a short rifle, like the shorter forearm?  I know it was a special order.

April 10, 2020
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Hi Chuck

In my survey, the 24" rifles all have the normal length fore-arm. Its when we get down to the 22" lengths that we start to see the short fore-arm at approx. 82% of the pool.

And to add to Bert's comment, there were no "short rifles" cataloged so to me its just a collectors term. For the purposes of my survey, anything under the standard length has been included, including the ELW versions. 

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deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

I found another on GB. Zooming in on the photo, it looks like serial# 47582.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864044164

Don  

This particular one does not letter correctly, so I wont be adding it. It has a later R&R, but still has some anomalies. I do like the configuration though. It would make a cool shooter. 

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deerhunter said
Here's another listed on GI today:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1894-pre-64/winchester-1894-32-40-take-down-short-rifle.cfm?gun_id=101417289#sm-12

Don  

New one .......... a little rough, but good survey data.

Thx.

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deerhunter said
Found another on Gunbroker:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864689489

Don  

Another new one .......... you are on a roll, thank you. 

~Gary~

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I thought I had seen this one listed before but here you go

437188

22" elw

8 3/8 forearm

Half mag/takedown

Checkered stock pistol grip

Trapdoor in buttplate for cleaning rods

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Manuel said
I thought I had seen this one listed before but here you go

437188

22" elw

8 3/8 forearm

Half mag/takedown

Checkered stock pistol grip

Trapdoor in buttplate for cleaning rods

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I have it already ....... a 38-55 w/ crescent butt?

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That's a great example, thanks for checking with me and showing it. Very cool!

~Gary~

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1873man said
Gary,

I posted pictures of this one on the old forum  so I don't know if you got the information.

Bob

  • Serial number 514956
  • 22" 1/2 Octagon
  • Full mag
  • forearm is 8 3/8"
  • Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4" from the receiver
  • Crescent butt
  • 30 caliber
  • Pistol grip checked wood
  • Engraved #9 pattern
  • Double set trigger

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Nice rifle Bob & that’s what I call a short rifle.

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May 16, 2020
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Not sure if this one is already in the survey. Just purchased.

Serial number 602387
DOM 1913
20" round barrel
Full mag
forearm is 8 3/8"
Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4" from the receiver
Crescent butt
30 caliber
Marbles W1 flexible tang sight with early style locking tab
Lyman no4 hunting front sight
3 Leaf rear Express

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May 16, 2020
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I already had that one in the survey from another frequent forum poster, but thank you for checking.

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I have an 1894 take down in 38-55 with a 20" octagon barrel. SN 9031.  Does this make your list?

Scott

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