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1894 Short Rifle examples wanted
December 31, 2020
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deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

I came across this one on GB.  Do you have this one in your survey?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888149789

Don  

I'm suddenly not very impressed with this seller.  He has another M1894 Winchester for sale:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888148554

He clearly shows the factory letter stating serial number applied and shipped in 1899, yet he is clear an FFL is not required:  "Although factory letter says 1899 many publications including the blue book of values puts serial at 1898."  And to top it off - look at his auction title: 

Winchester 1894 octagon 1/2 mag rifle factory letter antique made 1896

Where the heck does he get 1896?!  

No, I am not impressed with this seller at all.  

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steve004 said

I'm suddenly not very impressed with this seller.  He has another M1894 Winchester for sale:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888148554

He clearly shows the factory letter stating serial number applied and shipped in 1899, yet he is clear an FFL is not required:  "Although factory letter says 1899 many publications including the blue book of values puts serial at 1898."  And to top it off - look at his auction title: 

Winchester 1894 octagon 1/2 mag rifle factory letter antique made 1896

Where the heck does he get 1896?!  

No, I am not impressed with this seller at all.    

 

Another interesting aspect - this seller takes Paypal!  Add 4% he requests, if using Paypal.  Knowing how anti-gun Paypal is, I find this amusing.

January 7, 2021
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I have a Winchester model 1894 rifle with an 18" bbl, 1/2 octagon, 1/2 round, take-down, shotgun butt. I have a letter from Cody that it is all original.  I know it is rare, but how rare.  I would post a picture but I don't see a way to attach one.

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Hello Richard,

You have to be WACA member to post pictures directly to a topic post. What you can do, is to load your pictures on a photo host website, then post the URL link to them in here on the WACA forums.

Per the survey conducted by Cody Firearms Museum of the first 353,999 Model 1894s manufactured, there were just (43) that were made with an 18-inch barrel. The survey did not break down the number that were manufactured with a 1/2 octagon barrel, or with the Take Down feature. That stated, it would be safe to assume that it was a lot fewer than (43).

If you would like, I can post the pictures for you if you want to send them to me.

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Richard D. Ralston said
I have a Winchester model 1894 rifle with an 18" bbl, 1/2 octagon, 1/2 round, take-down, shotgun butt. I have a letter from Cody that it is all original.  I know it is rare, but how rare.  I would post a picture but I don't see a way to attach one.  

Sounds like a very cool rifle.  What cartridge is it chambered for?

January 10, 2021
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deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

Here's another for your survey.  Looks like serial number is 415558?  Hard to read that last digit...

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-lever-pre-64/1894-factory-22-quot-octagon-short-rifle-30wcf-415xxx-made-1908-.cfm?gun_id=101567012  

Got it ...... a new one to survey. Thx. 415558 looks correct when I zoomed in. 

~Gary~

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deerhunter said
And another:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/886943022  

I had found this one as well. Nice rifle, but sold for an exaggerated price considering the condition. Good for the seller ....... since I wasn't the buyer. 

~Gary~

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deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

I came across this one on GB.  Do you have this one in your survey?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888149789

Don  

Got it logged now ...... thanks Don. I had seen it, but forgot to enter it earlier. Too bad the finish was marginal, otherwise I may have been a bidder. 32-40 shorties are hard to find. 

~Gary~

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deerhunter said
Came across another for the survey:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1894-pre-64/factory-engraved-winchester-1894-lever-action-rifle.cfm?gun_id=101571501

Don  

That was a new one as well. I don't believe I've ever seen a factory engraved rifle so worn down. Actually pretty cool so see such a high end piece that got used so much. The stock letters as checkered but I see no sign of it. Maybe its worn off too or its not the original wood?

~Gary~

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Sorry guys ..... I got a little behind on my entries ...... some of us have a day job. Don is finding more of them than I am lately. Much appreciated, my friend. 

~Gary~

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Sorry guys ..... I got a little behind on my entries ...... some of us have a day job.   

Just one word for you... SLACKER!

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pdog72 said
Sorry guys ..... I got a little behind on my entries ...... some of us have a day job.   

Just one word for you... SLACKER!  

Yeah, we young guys that are not going to retire in a year or two still have to work for a living.....;-)

Keep up the good work Gary!

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deerhunter said
Hi Gary,

Here's a couple more I came across:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888848109

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/888743423

Don  

I had these two already.

Did you notice the 1/2 Oct transition on the second one? It seems much sharper than most of them, but it letters as such. Maybe its just the pictures. 

~Gary~

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I had these two already.

Did you notice the 1/2 Oct transition on the second one? It seems much sharper than most of them, but it letters as such. Maybe its just the pictures.   

I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it. It is a much sharper transition than I've seen. Is that sharp transition due to the rapid taper of the extra light barrel?

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deerhunter said

I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it. It is a much sharper transition than I've seen. Is that sharp transition due to the rapid taper of the extra light barrel?  

That is a sharp transition.  I hadn't noticed one that sharp before either.  Your explanation that it is a function of the extra light barrel makes sense. 

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I don't believe it has anything to do with the ELW barrel. I have (and have had) several 1/2 Oct ELW rifles and don't recall any of them looking quite like this. Maybe just a change they made, intended or not, that resulted in a batch of them like this. Usually when I see one that's sharp like that, it leads me to believe that it may not be original. Since this example letters, I just found it interesting. 

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