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Thanks for the heads up. Can you tell me the best lead-alternative shot for this gun? My grandson is only 11 years old and shoots Turkeys and targets.

Is lead prohibited where he’ll be using the shotgun? 

Mike

…help greatly appreciated. 

matthew  

You have at least one too many digits in the serial number.  Production of the Model 97 ended at S/N 1024701 on September 30, 1957.

Bert

…about the serial number marking on either one of them.  The earliest Take Down Model 1897 I have found thus far is serial number 48866 & 48870 and both were marked on the receiver and take down extension.

The hard rubber butt plate was standard for the Brush Gun variation from day one of

…for the heads up. Can you tell me the best lead-alternative shot for this gun? My grandson is only 11 years old and shoots Turkeys and targets.

…recently acquired an early 1897, SN 53031, which as I understand it puts it at around just 1,700 SN above the first takedowns for this model.  After lettering it, I was able to confirm that this is a true early takedown Brush gun, and from

…H. said

Bill,

Which specific 40-70 ctg. ?

I have a high-wall in 40-70 Sharpes Straight and another in 40-70 Ballard... and no reloading tool or bullet mold for either!

Bert

If its a Winchester Model 1894 Reloading Tool, its for the 40-70 W.C…

….F.

The 1875 & 1882 Tools were in the other 40-70 calibers.

Bill,

What condition are they in?

Sincerely,

Maverick

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Which specific 40-70 ctg. ?

I have a high-wall in 40-70 Sharpes Straight and another in 40-70 Ballard... and no reloading tool or bullet mold for either!

Bert

…some 3 piece sets, these are available:

40-70 reloading tool and new bullet mold  450.00

38-70 reloading tool   250.00

40-70 CH4D sizing die and decapper 100.00   sold

will go on GI in 2 weeks  Bill

…the owner of the LGS look at it today.  He bought TVA surplus over the years.  He got 4 Winchester 1892s in 44 WCF in the 70's.  While he had not seen one marked as mine is, he believes it is a legit TVA surplus rifle.

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I was amused to read in their Camp .50 ad:

"The Standard Arms, "Camp" gun is carefully tested and targeted with both shot and ball cartridges before leaving the factory."  Hmmm the gun has no sights....  

And while we're at it, was there a .50

…are certainly many for sale on various web sites. I bought a near mint Trapper a few years ago for $700, and then a few others for less $$$. I still have the Trapper and would not sell it for any $$$. I put a saddle ring on it and it is a real

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…tomlinson said

All, IF I recall correctly, there was a run of 44 Henry flat, rimfire made by a French company in the 1970's or maybe the 1980's.  Seems to me Ray Giles had a few of them for sale years ago.  But it also may be that I am mixing up details that weren't…

…. I’m not sure the machinery still exists to manufacture this cartridge on a large scale. I’d love to do a “mag dump” or take on a bunch of steel targets with an 1866 but I’m pretty sure it will never happen in my lifetime. Unlike “modern” central priming systems I don’t think the old rimfire priming

… IF I recall correctly, there was a run of 44 Henry flat, rimfire made by a French company in the 1970's or maybe the 1980's.  Seems to me Ray Giles had a few of them for sale years ago.  But it also may be that I am mixing up details that weren't

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…etc. that span quite a period of time now.  These weren't around when I bought my first .22 with my own money.  It was a Winchester Model 270 and it was a real piece of crap.  I bought it brand new at a local hardware store.  It jammed often and I was so green at the time that I didn't

…catalogs only listed the 45-70, but thus far, I have encountered ELWs made in 33 WCF, 38-56 WCF, 40-82 WCF, and 45-90 WCF.

Bert

…are interesting among collectors.  They are very rare, but a lot of collectors are not interested in them.  I had one once.  A M1886 .45-70 ELW, pistol grip, take-down, checkered (not deluxe wood) with a Lyman No. 21 (or No. 38 - I can't remember for sure) with no rear sight…

…s head very strongly.  I recall one collector suggested I have the barrel rifled.  Given the high condition and the desirability of being a .45-70, TD, pistol grip, checkered stocks, Lyman sight (with no rear dovetail) and so on, he thought it would be much more valuable rifled than as it sat…

…have experimented with it.  It would be no different in concept than my Standard Arms Camp .50 "buck and ball."  As I ponder this, maybe the .45-70 case loaded with 2 or 3 .45 round balls?  Now I really wish I had it back!  Anyone out there have it?

…the 30WCF and a #3 barrel. I have plenty of correct  brass, powder and bullet moulds and I’ve learned that the lowly 30WCF is underestimated as a target cartridge. I won’t be using it to knock over steel so I won’t need to subject my shoulder to unnecessary abuse. 

Mike

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…ONE KNOWS what cartridge it is chambered in.  No one has seen a box of cartridges.  A few references state it was chambered for some sort of .50-70 shot cartridge.  

Years ago, I talked to George Fink, a Standard Arms researcher who owned and studied these rifles.  He has done a chamber cast…

…in it and they all chamber!  Below are four I tried - .50-110 bulleted cartridge, .50-110 shot cartridge, .50-95 shot cartridge and .50-70 shot cartridge:

Here's one with the .50-110 shot cartridge sitting on top of the magazine follower:

Fully chambered:

Ready to go…

…that the one cartridge that does not work for this gun is the one cartridge that the reference books say it is chambered for.  That is, the .50-70.  Yes, the .50-70 will chamber, but the it is too wide at the rim to clear the ejection port.  The .50-110's and the .50-95 will clear the

…arm, much like yours you have so graciously shown. To me at this 'younger age " I recount some stories of my grand father shooting deer with his 45-70, guess that planted the bug eating at my brain housing group today. I would be humbled to ask if you ever decide to sell this 86 I would love to…

…not some weird deep pockets, just a person that loves 1886's

OCY - about identical to my experience except change the chambering from .45-70 to .45-90.  My grandfather had, for many years, used a .45-90 borrowed from a brother.  If I saw the rifle, I was too young to remember.  An

…see RIA has another SRC coming up.  Similar amount of finish (i.e. about none) and the auction estimate is identical.  This one is a .45-70:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/86/2/winchester-model-1886-lever-action-saddle-ring-carbine

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Attached are photos of Mdl 70

…All

I have a bit of an 1886 puzzle that you may be able to help with. 

My rifle number is 94538. It's a 45-70 with a round barrel and a full length mag tube. I asked the museum people to send me the information that they had (factory letter) and they came…

…or a re-chambering job.

The barrel has "Saginaw" stamped into it (a long time ago, I think) and so I wonder whether it was re-chambered in 45-70 post-manufacture by an outfit in Saginaw?. The stock and the forearm match and the rifle cycles and fires 45-70. The primer strike is centered.

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…?) vintage SG and the bevel extends past the back end of the port and has a different radius opposed to the front end. A Boyd stock I added to a 670 carries the lowered line all the way back to the receiver. I suppose symmetry isn’t something they were trying to achieve here. All three are very

…stick of a P51D......

Just curious, What does one do when they exceed the "Crew Weight of 200 Pounds"?

I'm afraid I'm over by about 70.

What's a new set of tires run on a P51 these days?

Sincerely,

Maverick 

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Dale Taylor said

Concerning the 1885 Winchester, does it state anywhere how many of each caliber were made ? As how many 32-40's, 45-70's, 40-65's, etc. My eyesight is literally bad but could not find anything in Campbell's books. Are any such numbers to be found ? Did Winchester…

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38-55
7,596
 

25 WCF/25-20 S.S.
7,555
 

22 Long R.
4,125
 

32 Short (RF)
3,903
 

44 WCF
3,875
 

32 Long (RF)
3,263
 

45-70
3,032
 

38 WCF
2,789
 

40-82 WCF
1,703
 

40-60 WCF
1,512
 

40-70 Sharps ST
1,428
 

30 U.S./30 Army
1,067
 

45-90 WCF
994
 

40-90…

…Sharps ST
743
 

38-56 WCF
701
 

22 WRF
662
 

45 EX.
631
 

40-65 WCF
562
 

25 R.F.
531
SN 57233

50 ELEY
512
 

45 ELEY
468
 

38 EX.
431
 

40-70 Ballard
316