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…Book or Old Gunsights.  It is shown in the catalogs from 1880-84 then disappears.

Second photo is a Winchester combination front sight on an 1876 made in 1883.  It appears to be original.

…listed as a "Beech" sight along with a Lyman #5.  The Winchester combination front sight was only in the catalogs from 1880-84.  

I have an 1876 rifle that has a Winchester combination sight.  I have never seen one loose offered for sale.  I have no dog in this fight, just thought a sight

…shot and trying to get full length of the rifle.  Often have to add a piece of 4 by 4 under the rear leg, if shooting a long rifle, such as a model 1876.  I also have NO skills in cropping, or adjusting exposure in the computer, etc.  Ask Rob--there are times it takes me all day and a bit of

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…sure this maybe be obvious but may not to others. Based on the dates your showing of the drawings, I'm not surprised the 76 is not mentioned as the 1876 was basically obsolete and out of production by 1899. So I suppose there wouldn't be much need to put it on said drawings. All the other models

…sure this maybe be obvious but may not to others. Based on the dates your showing of the drawings, I'm not surprised the 76 is not mentioned as the 1876 was basically obsolete and out of production by 1899. So I suppose there wouldn't be much need to put it on said drawings. All the other models

…reviewed the later drawings as pertinent.  They do reference the 1873, 1886 and 1895 so I would assume there should have been a reference to the 1876 Musket also but there isn't.  I have seen model omissions on many other drawings though so I am not surprised the 1876 Musket is missing and it is

…t forget the 1876 Musket had them as well. I don't recall if the carbine did, suppose it could?

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Sincerely,

Maverick

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The list doesnt mention the 1876.  On SN 63827, the same sling swivel is installed.  It is a 45-75 PG H-checked deluxe with 7 leaf express and long range tang.  If I remember

…list doesnt mention the 1876.  On SN 63827, the same sling swivel is installed.  It is a 45-75 PG H-checked deluxe with 7 leaf express and long range tang.  If I remember

…model 70 24" barrel was 3060fps with the same load of 57grs of IMR4831. Maybe the powder liked a longer barrel?

 Several years ago I shot a 1876 50-95 with a 22" barrel using loads I used in my longer barreled, 26" & 28" 76 Express. The short barrel was 150fps slower than the longer ones

…have some differences in results.  But the bore dimensions and the condition was essentially minimized.  Now--does anyone have a 36 inch barreled 1876 or 1873 they would volunteer to cut down a couple of inches at a time?  Not me!  Mark did a general, quick and easy comparison for fun.  Bet it

…model 70 24" barrel was 3060fps with the same load of 57grs of IMR4831. Maybe the powder liked a longer barrel?

 Several years ago I shot a 1876 50-95 with a 22" barrel using loads I used in my longer barreled, 26" & 28" 76 Express. The short barrel was 150fps slower than the longer ones

…while, but want to research them more. The only interesting item I've come across lately was a special order pull through bore cleaner for a Model 1876 in Winchester Express made in 1879. 

Sincerely,

Maverick

…Parts, uses the words "Sling Ring and Staple for Carbine" and the price for a Sling Ring & Staple for the Model 1866, Model 1873 & Model 1876 were all each .52 cents. It is also interesting to me to note on the previous page 31 there is no such tern as a Firing Pin. The catalog uses the

…very interesting topic and one that has caused me confusion as well.  As a collector of black powder era 1873 and 1876 rifles, I am not as concerned about bore condition as some others might be with smokeless powder guns. 

I think especially for black powder era…

…bore.  It stays that way for years, the bore turning into a sewer pipe, but the outside aging more gracefully.

FWIW, I have owned four different 1876 Express rifles and all of them have excellent bores with no pitting.  I think that ammunition for these rifles was probably not as easy to come by

…fps for gas checks, though the lead alloy has some bearing also.  

Thanks Clarence on both accounts.  Does this catalog have any data for the 1876 cartridges other than black powder.  Barnes is the only one that gives some data but not much.

…matches between the Irish and the U.S. including what rifles were used during those matches and have never seen anything printed about a Winchester 1876 rifle being used.  The primary rifles used were the Sharps Models 1874,1877, and the 1878 Borchardt along with the Remington Rolling Block. …

…much of a mark.  This is on our side of the pond. One of the criteria was that the rifle had to weigh 10 lbs or under and I don't think that an 1876 weighs under 10 lbs.  It would have to have been a one of a kind with at least a 1-20" twist to stabilize a 500 + gr bullet to 1000 yds. to be…

…successful.  It is possible that the 1876 rifle was used in some kind of specialty match to win that prize such as the only one being represented.  "To Encourage Rapidity and Accuracy".  An

…matches between the Irish and the U.S. including what rifles were used during those matches and have never seen anything printed about a Winchester 1876 rifle being used.  The primary rifles used were the Sharps Models 1874,1877, and the 1878 Borchardt along with the Remington Rolling Block. …

…much of a mark.  This is on our side of the pond. One of the criteria was that the rifle had to weigh 10 lbs or under and I don't think that an 1876 weighs under 10 lbs.  It would have to have been a one of a kind with at least a 1-20" twist to stabilize a 500 + gr bullet to 1000 yds. to be…

…successful.  It is possible that the 1876 rifle was used in some kind of specialty match to win that prize such as the only one being represented.  "To Encourage Rapidity and Accuracy".  An

…in several subsequent catalogs. 

As I said earlier in this thread the prize was offered by Schuyler, Hartley and Graham in the summer and fall of 1876.  Open to all comers.  Distance 200 yards.  Position Standing.  Any rifle, magazine guns used as a single loader.  The target was in the shape

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steve004 said

Do you know what distances they were shooting at?

Maybe this was the inspiration for the creation of the .45-90 for the Model 1876?  

The article does not mention the distances.  It says the medal was sponsored by Schuyler, Hartley and Graham and was administered by the

…Hockett said

Winchester competed in summer 1876 with an early version of the model 1876 rifle at Creedmore.  The 1876 rifle was used as a single loader by Captain James E. Stetson and won a gold prize offered by Schuyler, Hartley and Graham.  The rifle was…

…grade rifles made by Remington, Sharps, Providence Tool Works, etc.  It scored the most points in three matches.

Please see "The Winchester Model 1876 'Centennial' Rifle" by Herbert G. Houze, pages 75-76.    

Do you know what distances they were shooting at?

Maybe this was the inspiration…

…for the creation of the .45-90 for the Model 1876?

…competed in summer 1876 with an early version of the model 1876 rifle at Creedmore.  The 1876 rifle was used as a single loader by Captain James E. Stetson and won a gold prize offered by Schuyler, Hartley and Graham.  The rifle was…

…grade rifles made by Remington, Sharps, Providence Tool Works, etc.  It scored the most points in three matches.

Please see "The Winchester Model 1876 'Centennial' Rifle" by Herbert G. Houze, pages 75-76.  

…Shot, 1873, 1892, 1894 (OK, a bunch of 94’s) and an 1895. My 71 will have to represent the 1886 until I get another one. Someday I may have an 1876 but for now I’ll represent that model with the 1873. I have a few Model 70’s but they are modern hunting rifles, including one very special early FN

…to call a saddle ring rifle rare, imo, & this one possibly the only in a 76.

RickC  

RickC  nice 76 you have there . I have a pic. of an 1876 Winchester short  rifle with round barrel and saddle ring . I don't know if the rifle lettered , it was offered for sale to one of my Winchester

…Chris said

Nice 1876 Rick. A rare rifle. 

I don't have an 1876, yet. 
 
Have been after the Houze 1876 book for a while. Found it about a year ago on Ebay US for $76. I was the highest bidder. Had it shipped to my Auntie in Long Beach CA and she…

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Chris
  

Thanks Chris. I didn’t have one either but I couldn’t pass up the offer to buy something in good condition & rare, specifically in m1876.

I will start checking eBay fir the book. Appreciate the heads up.

RickC

…1876 Rick. A rare rifle. 

I don't have an 1876, yet. 
 
Have been after the Houze 1876 book for a while. Found it about a year ago on Ebay US for $76. I was the highest bidder. Had it shipped to my Auntie in Long Beach CA and she

…said

I did find this book new without dust cover for $180 + shipping https://gunandswordcollector.com/product/winchester-1876-centennial-rifle-herbert-houze/ but just still found that expensive when they were originally $59.99.  

Actually they were $45. 

…lucky to own this rare Winchester saddle ring rifle & it’s a 1 of 1 unless another surfaces. I’ll still be happy with a 1 of 2.

I did find a 1876 book new without dust cover for $180 + shipping but found that expensive when they were originally $59.99.

…it's the Lawyer in me, and I get fixated on use of words, as I am sure to Houze, they had very different meanings for him.  

I don’t have the 1876 book by Houze but as per factory letter, it was a carbine as entered in the assembled ledger records & shipped to warehouse Sept 7/1886 but, it