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…have for sale a Winchester 1876, in 45-75 cal, s/n 1286 with Cody letter. It has a 28in octagon barrel, set trigger, ladder rear sight, oval thumbprint mortice cover and 5 piece
…close to 2" was Remington at 1.937"
Bob
I agree. The marking does not look like an "I" to me either. The sight clearly isn't for a M1876. Otherwise, it's a nice looking sight.
…Wallace said
I recieved my Cody letter today for my 1876, s/n 1286 in 45-75 cal, and it reads;
Type: Rifle
Barrel Type: Octagon
Trigger: Set
Received in warehouse on Jan 18, 1878
Shipped from
…recieved my Cody letter today for my 1876, s/n 1286 in 45-75 cal, and it reads;
Type: Rifle
Barrel Type: Octagon
Trigger: Set
Received in warehouse on Jan 18, 1878
Shipped from
…said
My 1876 lettered as having a set trigger removed before shipping and has a trigger block. My 1873 with a hole in finger lever also has trigger block. Don
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…hammer block pin is interesting. My s/n 1286 1876 does not have the hammer block. You can drop the hammer even with the finger lever open. I find it strange that Tim's s/n 544 1876 has it and mine
…and others, here is the early model 1876 sn 455 system as produced to unlock the trigger block safety. Note the pin is shorter and appears straight compared to the longer, tapered pin on
…have absolutely no idea of any benefit of the hole. You also kind of shame me. I will see if I can take photos of my 1868 musket and the early 1876 to show their version of a trigger block safety. It will be by cell phone, and last time I tried I had issues with the pic being too big to
…may help illustrate the trigger block safety as earlier engineered/designed by Luke Wheelock. IF you have Herb Houze's book "The Winchester Model 1876 "Centennial" Rifle", look at page 55. The pictures are of a modified de Suzanne carbine from Apr/May 1875. The lower tang is not included, but it…
…the hole in the lower tang to then depress the trigger block safety. This also is the system used on my Model 1868 musket, serial 18, and Model 1876 serial number 544. As yet I can not tell you when this feature changed, nor am I aware of it being discussed elsewhere. I have not gone back and
… About the best that comes to mind at present is my article on the 1868 Musket which led to the models 1873 and 1876. It used the trigger block system with a pin on the finger lever entering the hole in the bottom tang to depress a spring and lever to remove the…
…trigger block. It is pictured in some detail. That provided the version used on early 1876's after they first used NO trigger block safety. The best I have at the moment is the picture on page 47 of the Fall edition. Look at the lever…
…and tang just back of the trigger. That pin is attached to the lever. Final form on the 1873's when they got the trigger block safety and the 1876's when it settled down had the pin protrude from the tang and pushed by the lever. Any keyhole is something I am unfamiliar with at this time. If
…you Tim for your expertise. I have spent alot of time trying to figure out this 1876. I can't wait for the factory letter to get here. (should be soon) Above you mentioned the standardized butt plate. Is that the one that does
…86Win said
Trying to determine if any open-top (no dust cover or rail ) 76 Winchesters was produced after my 1876 SN 3267. Any out there? Don
Don, there are serial numbers in the low 6000's that are still open tops. The highest open top serial
…have a model 1876, sn 1286, in 45-75 cal with a dust cover that looks to be factory installed. I have a Cody factory letter coming soon. It will be interesting to
…to determine if any open-top (no dust cover or rail ) 76 Winchesters was produced after my 1876 SN 3267. Any out there? Don
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… this is interesting. The three 1876 rifles are in the active survey. This is the survey with material gathered by Jim Gordon, and then Rick Bachman. Now I am working on it. I was…
…barrel
No other information listed for these three which usually means all other features are standard. All these guns are toward the end of the 1876 production and may be parts clean-up.
… not the model of the gun.
I take exception to this last statement. It doesn't make sense. The carbine leaf sight was different for 1873 and 1876 models. Also, the original carbine rear sight for the 1873 was a simple non-adjustable leaf type. The carbine leaf sight with adjustable slide…
…?
Here is a carbine leaf sight on an 1873 carbine, SN 156798. No "1873" markings.
Here is a photo of a carbine leaf sight on a Model 1876. Note that it is marked "1876."
…a fairly decent carbine.
This one has some idiosyncrasies to it. Add? Detract? What's your opinion?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971187630
…the rail. I think it's Winchester work, the fact that they didn't record it in the records does not surprise me. This was a time period in the 1876 production the lid was or was not installed. The guns were standard with a lid or without. So why record it. T/R
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…page 100 in the Herbert Houze book on the Model 1876 (referenced by T/R):
"The first major change to be made in the Model 1876's general design took place in early 1878 when it was decided that the arm should be equipped with a mortise cover."
On page 102 in Houze:
" .
…Smith said
TR said
Darrin,
I have found these three books very helpful in my attempt to understand the 1876 Model.
The Winchester model 1876 Centennial Rifle by Herbert Houze
T/R
T/R,
I
…TR said
Darrin,
I have found these three books very helpful in my attempt to understand the 1876 Model.
The Winchester model 1876 Centennial Rifle by Herbert Houze
T/R
T/R,
I
…... as I said in post 11...
To further add to the mystery…Madis (1985 edition) in the section on 1876’s says on page 215 that dust covers could be factory ordered after SN 1600. On page 220 Madis pictures a Carbine that he says shipped on May 8, 1878…
…(same date as my #1855) … WITH the dust cover attached.
These observations and/or details in the Madis study of the Model 1876 would also support the possibility of my Carbine - SN 1855 ... being shipped with the lid modification done by Winchester.
Most unfortunate
…says on pg 145 ... that the Winchester Catalog dated May 1, 1878 listed "Mortise cover slide, Model 1876- price $1.00"
I would suspect they were doing this modification prior to listing the lid as an option or as a part.
SN 1855 was shipped May
…had sued for patent infringement which caused Winchester to change, for a time, putting dust covers on its rifles. Thus the open top first model 1876 and the first model, 4th variation (per Tommy Rholes' account) model 1873. Now look again at the months I showed for the two model 1876's. In…
…. Just 3 months later they were 2500 numbers higher. Something noteworthy seemed to have happened about then. I agree with TR that many models 1876 went to warehouse and remained there for longer periods of time. But seems to me around August to November things picked up and significant numbers…
…many times, let the rifle tell you. But will it also tell the next prospective owner? Houze gives some interesting insights as to how the model 1876 would build up in inventory and then be reworked to fill orders. But major changes seemed to have been documented. Dust covers? Not apparently
…Winchester produced more early 1876s than sold the first couple years. The warehouse held the surplus and modified previous produced guns to fill orders. The lid had a patent problem
…3000 serial number, then facts weighed in and the 5000 number became the serial number around which the dust cover became standardized for the model 1876. So, using actual rifles and their serial numbers, I can add the following. Serial 544 is an open top model 1876 and went to the warehouse 23 Oct…
…1877. Serial 5332 is an open top model 1876 and went to the warehouse 10 Aug 1878. Please note the month/year of that. Serial 7822 is noted in the ledger with "Lid" and went to the…
…of those had been subsequently sent back to Winchester and had "lids" added to them. I've no doubt that many of the original "open top" models 1876 also were subsequently fitted for "lids" by Winchester. Now--was this work annotated in the records? I've not seen any as yet personally.
…Hockett said
I have the active 1876 research survey. No rifles with notations of "Winchester High Velocity" are in the records I have of existing rifles. There are currently 2789
