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…manufactured guns recommended for smokeless powder. This data is not for antique rifles originally made for back powder

These are the two 45-70 bullets I had, I was wondering if i could load any of these:

https://www.mattsbullets.com/365-grain-round-flat-nose-gas-check-458.html

…began drilling & tapping the Model 94 receiver frames as a standard feature late in the year 1952 (approximately serial number 1917000), and for a Lyman No. 56 receiver sight (Williams receiver peep sights were always an aftermarket item).  It was possible to special order a

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33

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Tom,   are we talking factory 45-70 loads?  

In decades past, back when Dupont still owned Remington, Big Green offered a 300 grain JSP 45/70 load that was pretty spicy. 

PMC is Taiwanese, I thought, if not CCP. I'd have guessed their ammo would be balls to the walls since sueing China…

…is like sueing the wind.    

What Im curious about is whether Aguila makes any 45/70 ammo.  I'd guess not since a Mexican ammo maker probably has a hard time just supplying 9x19, 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 to the Cartels. I had a box of

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33

…is called the standard; so if you want to sell your gun and is in good shape, contact me at: [email protected] or give me a call at (813) 963-7051.

Best of luck.

Robert 

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33

… with the institution's names, rather than just "CDC" as later guns were marked. Dave at Old West Gun room apparently had one in that same late 70's time frame.

I have a SFPD marked pre 64 model 94, but a San Quentin marked one would be pretty darn cool as well.

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33…

…to the rule

I was just staring at the front cover of the Fall, 2020 Winchester Collector Magazine.  Shown on that cover is a M1886 .38-70 with an octagon barrel.  It letters as an ELW.  Sadly, despite there being a full page article on that rifle, no where is the barrel length

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Bert H. said

The sight on Ian's ELW is a Lyman No. 4 Hunting sight, and it was the standard sight installed by Winchester on the 45-70 Extra Light Weight rifles.  I have seen a few hundred of them over the course of my research survey.

Bert

So, Bert, Ian's front sight being

…H. said

The sight on Ian's ELW is a Lyman No. 4 Hunting sight, and it was the standard sight installed by Winchester on the 45-70 Extra Light Weight rifles.  I have seen a few hundred of them over the course of my research survey.

Bert

So, Bert, Ian's front sight

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33

…rifles.  I might have focused just on ELW's.  Boring?  Not when you consider there are ELW's in .50-100, .50-110, .45-90 .40-82, .38-70's and other examples extant.  Even the .33 WCF ELW isn't all that easy to find 🙂  A collector could spend a lifetime searching out the very

…one is listed as extra lightweight.  I think the criteria is it must have the shortest possible magazine, given the circumstances.

#1.  45-70, takedown, listed as 1/2 magazine, not the shortest possible, as it has the takedown feature, but letter states extra lightweight;

#2.  .33

…than two sizes/heights for the Lyman No. 4 sight.  The sights were a different height depending on the specific caliber (e.g. 33 WCF versus 45-70, or 45-90).

Bert

…H. said

The sight on Ian's ELW is a Lyman No. 4 Hunting sight, and it was the standard sight installed by Winchester on the 45-70 Extra Light Weight rifles.  I have seen a few hundred of them over the course of my research survey.

Bert 

I suspected this sight was standard

…sight on Ian's ELW is a Lyman No. 4 Hunting sight, and it was the standard sight installed by Winchester on the 45-70 Extra Light Weight rifles.  I have seen a few hundred of them over the course of my research survey.

Bert

…extremely well. It made the trip through our postal system without a dent or scratch.

Thanks for an outstanding transaction.

Still need the 270 box.

Dick

Glad to hear it arrived safe and sound.  I'll keep an eye out for the 270 box you are seeking.  You are very welcome.

Don

…   are we talking factory 45-70 loads?  

In decades past, back when Dupont still owned Remington, Big Green offered a 300 grain JSP 45/70 load that was pretty spicy. 

PMC is Taiwanese, I thought, if not CCP. I'd have guessed their ammo would be balls to the walls since sueing China…

…is like sueing the wind.    

What Im curious about is whether Aguila makes any 45/70 ammo.  I'd guess not since a Mexican ammo maker probably has a hard time just supplying 9x19, 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 to the Cartels. I had a box of

…extremely well. It made the trip through our postal system without a dent or scratch.

Thanks for an outstanding transaction.

Still need the 270 box.

Dick

…Patrol Weapons Training Unit in Sacramento and the rifle came up in a discussion with a senior gunsmith.  He told me that, in the 1960's-early 70's they did gunsmith work for various entities within the state and he had also heard about the San Quentin Winchester 94's.  He also wanted to buy

…a half of a million cartridges being produced in a day! (of various calibers)

My point being that the Millbank primer patent, May, 31 st. 1870, and Oliver Winchester needing a cartridge primer for the development of his much anticipated model 1873 rifle and an improved cartridge, being the…

….44 WCF cartridge, to be first evident in the 1890's, can be possible, but maybe also used earlier, in cartridge production, and as early as the 1870's and 1880's! It stands to reason, as Bryan explained that the transition from black powder to smokeless powder, could mainly be the reason for the

…ammo,a box of softnose and another of full patch. I was prepared to sacrifice a half box in the interest of science. 

My first rodeo with the 45-70 was similar to yours, Mike.  A Browning 1886 I shouldn't have sold and Elmer Keith's idea of a "proper" 300.grain high velocity load. The weight

…will help to illustrate the value of the two-shot sight-in method and a long eye relief scope. The 458 is another matter, while I have fired 45-70's at velocities never envisioned in 1873 in a rifle weighing about eight pounds I've never had the pleasure of touching off this particular cartridge

…been but not much. 

I pulled that year's Gun Digest to see how it was catalogued and learned  in 1980 Winchester had two sub-lines of the Model 70, some plain Jane models and then some XTR models like this one. The Model 70 XTR in the catalog looked like this one but, according to the catalog…

…African. I'll post the photos. 

I've never owned a 375 or 458. My experience with heavy 'pounders' is limited to a 338 Win Mag and 45-70.  The Model 70 in 338 was actually used to shoot an elk. But the process of working up loads and sighting in was painful (and even a bit bloody…

…when the scope bit my nose).  I once found a Ruger #3 in 45-70 at a Longs Drug Store for $169 and couldn't pass it up.  I bought dies and some 500 grain bullets. Knowing that the falling block action was

…been but not much. 

I pulled that year's Gun Digest to see how it was catalogued and learned  in 1980 Winchester had two sub-lines of the Model 70, some plain Jane models and then some XTR models like this one. The Model 70 XTR in the catalog looked like this one but, according to the catalog

…is the diameter of the bullet?  The Lee Navy is .243" or 6mm.  The 25-35 is .257".  A 6.5 mm is .264".  The 270 is .277".  A 7mm is 284"

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I have restocked a couple of M70's and replacement stocks generally have a generous recess for the recoil lug and bedding the lug to the stock is usually necessary. Some like to bed…

…and the barreled action, IMHO. The new "conventional wisdom" favors pillar bedding but that has no place in a collector firearm like your Model 70. On rifles like my BACO M70 Super Grade the middle screw has been omitted. 

Mike

…Winchesters made during the time the manufacturer was owned by Olin Industries, which ended 12/31/1980.

I've attached photos of my 1980.Model 70 in XTR grade, a 375 H&H.  While the styling suffers from the fashions of the day, the build quality, fit, and metal and wood finish are beyond…

…reproach for a production rifle. Critics should bear in mind that many --MANY-- more Post-63 Model 70 rifles were manufactured and sold than the predecessor rifle. We are not talking about likes and dislikes but viability in the marketplace. 

Of

…have the following available, PM if interested --

Lyman Jr. Targetspot 8x, excellent, $475

Lyman Targetspot 10x, very good, $600

Lyman Super Targetspot 12x, minty in wood box, $800

Bausch & Lomb Balfor, early type with Kuharsky rings, minty in…

…buttstock pistol grip, checkered $130

Winchester 21 straight grip stock, good $110

Winchester 21 beavertail forend, good $100

Winchester 70 classic CRF stock Express, for standard barrel new $200

70 CRF Mcmillan lightweight synthetic stock, standard, $220, new

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