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October 21, 2022 - 1:28 am
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The heavy rust is inside the forearm and under the buttstock plate. There is no rust btwn the receiver and the buttstock or the forearm. 

  

The receiver will have some oils or greases that would give it some protection.

Bob

  

Does the silver plating has anything to do with that? 

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I was not aware it had a silver plated receiver. I saw the picture of the receiver but couldn’t figure out its looks. It must be heavily tarnished. Yes , the silver would protect the receiver.

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It was very tarnished and I polished it. 

I will send some before and after photos. IMG-20221014-WA0018.jpgImage EnlargerIMG-20221014-WA0017.jpgImage Enlarger

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October 21, 2022 - 6:17 pm
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It moved another 1 /4 “. 

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October 22, 2022 - 9:34 am
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Hi everyone
Success at last.
The tube did come out of the forearm.
Inclosing some photos.As for forearm, I wrapped in paper towel then black plastic bag then I put it in the sun.
One obstacle over.
Thanks all.

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I still have 2 issues :

1-removing the oil from the wood.

2- how to restore the lower tang as its silver coated yet very corroded.Inclosed is  a photo. 

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Here is a link to a recent discussion about removing oil  from wood.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/restoration-repair-and-maintenance/safe-temperature-1886/

As to the silver plating. The cheapest and quickest is to clean up the area with a rust remover chemical and then get a plating kit and touch it up. You will still see the rust pits and the silver may not match. You can go a step farther and sand the pits away and replate the area but you will probably see the difference in silver plating areas. The most expensive but one that would give you the best look is to have the gun professionally refinished but would cost more than the guns worth and if you sent to someone that doesn’t do quality work  the gun would look worst than it is now.

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Here is a link to a recent discussion about removing oil  from wood.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/restoration-repair-and-maintenance/safe-temperature-1886/

As to the silver plating. The cheapest and quickest is to clean up the area with a rust remover chemical and then get a plating kit and touch it up. You will still see the rust pits and the silver may not match. You can go a step farther and sand the pits away and replate the area but you will probably see the difference in silver plating areas. The most expensive but one that would give you the best look is to have the gun professionally refinished but would cost more than the guns worth and if you sent to someone that doesn’t do quality work  the gun would look worst than it is now.

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Thanks Bob

Appreciate your help in this matter.

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Sam56 said

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  If you don’t mind, how did it get so rusty? T/R

  

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I don’t know the exact history of it. All I know is that it was stored in a cop board for >40 years and never been used or looked after.

  

 This gun is far worse than any salt wood Browning I ever saw. It had to have been repeatedly soaked to bring the salt out of the wood or soaked in a corrosive fluid and left in a damp environment. T/R

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TR said

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TR said

  If you don’t mind, how did it get so rusty? T/R

  

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I don’t know the exact history of it. All I know is that it was stored in a cop board for >40 years and never been used or looked after.

  

 This gun is far worse than any salt wood Browning I ever saw. It had to have been repeatedly soaked to bring the salt out of the wood or soaked in a corrosive fluid and left in a damp environment. T/R

  

Hi TR

I really have no idea of the actual handling of this rifle. It is very rusty on the barrel and the mag tube. 

Thanks 

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I had a commemorative rifle (Legendary Frontiersman?) of that approximate era, the receiver had a very fragile finish. The finish discolored when I fired it with BP rounds. I suspect finish in that area is beyond repair. Congrats on getting that tube out! 

 

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I had a commemorative rifle (Legendary Frontiersman?) of that approximate era, the receiver had a very fragile finish. The finish discolored when I fired it with BP rounds. I suspect finish in that area is beyond repair. Congrats on getting that tube out! 

 

Mike

  

Hi Mike 

The receiver is OK, it’s just the lower tang. I will attach some photos of the lower and upper tang for comparison.

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Browning’s salt wood issue is well documented. In need of fancy walnut for high grade shotguns and rifles, Browning purchased a shipment of furniture grade Claro Walnut out of South America (salt cured), all the wood came from the same batch sold to Browning in 1965. this wood was used in Browning’s higher grade rifles and shotguns manufactured from 1967 until 1971. After significant complaints, Browning destroyed the remaining salt wood in 1972.

I am unaware of Winchester using salt wood, Browning’s salt wood fiasco nearly caused Browning to go bankrupt with loss of sales and warrantee claims. Browning sent the owners notification and restocked many of these guns at no charge. 

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Mike Hunter said
Browning’s salt wood issue is well documented. In need of fancy walnut for high grade shotguns and rifles, Browning purchased a shipment of furniture grade Claro Walnut out of South America (salt cured), all the wood came from the same batch sold to Browning in 1965. this wood was used in Browning’s higher grade rifles and shotguns manufactured from 1967 until 1971. After significant complaints, Browning destroyed the remaining salt wood in 1972.

I am unaware of Winchester using salt wood, Browning’s salt wood fiasco nearly caused Browning to go bankrupt with loss of sales and warrantee claims. Browning sent the owners notification and restocked many of these guns at no charge. 

Respectfully 

Mike

  

Thanks Mike

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How can you tell if the receiver is sentered steel or not? 

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I can almost guarantee that the frame is “sintered metal” for a couple of reasons:  it was produced during the time that Winchester was making 94 receivers out of sintered metal, and that it’s plated.

Sintered metals do not blue well using caustic bluing (Industry standard at the time). Winchester has this problem, as well as other manufacturers, including Dan Wesson.

In order to achieve a decent blue, Manufacturers had to plate sintered metal parts with iron.   Winchester plated their blued receivers with iron, and came out with a whole bunch of commemorative 94s, which were gold, silver, nickel, or faux CCH plated.

The only way to determine if it is sintered is to blue it, which would be counter-productive to your needs. 

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Thanks everyone 

I need more detailed procedure for silver plating the lower tang.

Appreciate your help.

Thanks

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How’s the bore?

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Tedk said
How’s the bore?

  

I think it’s OK, I have a borescope vedio I will send it. I didn’t clean the barrel yet.

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I’m not sure I like that barrel.  Too many cracks in addition to the pits.

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