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December 9, 2002
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Sounds good Chuck!
I’ll check out my book from Lou, in the meantime!
Anthony
December 9, 2002
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Chuck,
I did find the same information that you pointed out to us earlier on the Board, and the C.F. cartridge being listed in the Rimfire book, but no picture of the 1874 board, or any other cartridge boards!
Anthony
March 31, 2009
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Anthony said
Chuck,I did find the same information that you pointed out to us earlier on the Board, and the C.F. cartridge being listed in the Rimfire book, but no picture of the 1874 board, or any other cartridge boards!
Anthony
I’m still looking. VII pg. 255 lists the cartridges on the 1874 board.
December 9, 2002
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Correct Chuck,
I have read that over, and enjoy it even more when I review it!
Just haven’t found pics of any cartridge boards in either volume. 
Anthony
February 11, 2018
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I had photos of cartridge boards but I will have to try and fine them
May 23, 2009
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I’ve posted them in the past, but there are a couple of articles in the collector magazine that show those boards.
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February 11, 2018
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What I can’t find are the dates of each board
May 23, 2009
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The dates are listed in the articles.
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202403/38/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202401/38/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202309/38/
The well known cartridge boards are dated as follows:
1874
1879
1884 (2 Variations Known)
1886
1888
1890
1894 (Only 2 Boards Known)
1897
1902 (Lithograph Board Only)
There is also lesser known salesman sample cases that have shot shells and cartridges in them.
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/201609/40/
A Blue Salesman Case with Shot Shells & Primers Dates 1884-1894 Timeframe.
A Red Salesman Case with Shot Shells & Cartridges Dates 1901-1906 Timeframe.
A Yellow Labeled Black Paper wrapped Box with Dummy Shot Shells early 1900s Timeframe.
A Wood Grain Pattern Box with Factory Layout on the Lid with Cartridges Dates 1910-1915 Timeframe.
That about covers it. There some later 1930s & 1950s salesman cases that aren’t as valuable.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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February 11, 2018
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perfect, thanks. I may make some google doc notes
December 9, 2002
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Thank You Gentlemen, for refreshing this information, and to you Maverick, for condensing, explaing, and organizing it!
Anthony
March 31, 2009
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I finally got these boxes in my possession at the Vegas show. The bottom box is the box right after the Milbank primed. It is the first version of this box. The top box is the second version. The 1st version only has a side label on one end. The second version has a side label all around the box. Notice the cartridge heads. No head stamp but different manufacture. I forget when the first head stamps appeared?
December 9, 2002
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Chuck,
Congrats on those very hard to find boxes. Those look like the Boxer type primers by John Gardner.(1874-1876, I think, which makes sense to me,at that time)
Do those have the grease groove also?
These UN-stamped cartridge heads are preferred by many, as you’re well aware of. I don’t think it was too long after these we’re mfg. that Winchester started to stamp the cartridge heads, as I’m thinking they we’re in such a rush to get these cartridges out, with all the problems the Milbank primer created, and delayed the release of the first M-1873’s, later in that year, and it wasn’t until 1874 that Winchester was able to deliver their M-1873 with pride, as there wasn’t the time for tooling up, to stamp the cartridge heads, to provide ammunition for Winchesters new rifle design of, “The Gun that Won the West”!
Some more close ups, of the cartridges and some clearer pics would be great, when you find time.
Thanks for sharing!
Anthony
November 7, 2015
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Very good condition, wow! I’m guessing at some point in time there wasn’t much need for headstamps, just as the elevators for the early 1873’s were not marked.
Mike
March 15, 2020
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Is this a Millbank primer?
December 9, 2002
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86Win said
Is this a Millbank primer?
Here’s the one that I posted a few pages back, of one of the known and documented Milbank Primer cartridges, from the Paul Foster collection. Your cartridge looks like a possible mi-hit or mi-strike to me.
In the larger photo, the inside of the primer has a definite shoulder to it.
Anthony
February 11, 2018
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Congrats on the box…that is awesome!!
- Winchester did not seal their 1874-1876 boxes (Winchester’s second 44 box label), thus the label was only on top and over the right side top end portion…for identification on the self in the stores.
- Winchester’s third box was sealed, thus the side “seal” labels.
- The primer patent used in 1874 was Oliver Winchester’s July 18th, 1874 case patent, not Gardner. Gardner’s patent wasn’t until Oct 1st, 1878.
- Notice the “second box label” shows the “Solid Head” cartridge case call-out, which was omitted on the first (Milbank) box label!
- Winchester started headstamping their 44 cal. cases around 1884.
December 9, 2002
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Thanks for that Bryan, as I was hoping that you’d bring you’re expertise, with all of you’re research and time invested, to the table in this refreshed and very informative thread.
Anthony
May 2, 2009
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Chuck,
Glad you got the box in good condition shipped by the Randy Express. I’m happy with the upgrade.
Bob
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March 31, 2009
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1873man said
Chuck,
Glad you got the box in good condition shipped by the Randy Express. I’m happy with the upgrade.
Bob
I think you sent me the wrong box.
March 31, 2009
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Anthony said
Here’s the one that I posted a few pages back, of one of the known and documented Milbank Primer cartridges, from the Paul Foster collection. Your cartridge looks like a possible mi-hit or mi-strike to me.
In the larger photo, the inside of the primer has a definite shoulder to it.
Anthony
I’m jealous.
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