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…have a 2nd year 1876 rifle #1685 that ledger records show was shipped with 5 other rifles; 1682, 1683, 1684, 1686 and 1688. I am trying to find one or more of the other

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Mark
November 4, 2020 6:12 am
Topic: 1876 Rifle
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…Let Me know if it is available, maybe a picture and even more important what You want for it. I finalized the deal on the 1876 Hawaiin musket that Collectors Firearms has and it's needing the rear sight, which is apparently a '66 rifle sight with the external spring, there is

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November 3, 2020 12:23 am
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…the M1885 was chambered in .45-75.  And actually, the 45-75 load under discussion would probably have worked much better in the M1885 than the M1876.  Of course, there were better choices if the purchaser wanted a .45 caliber rifle that would shoot heavier bullets.  I suppose at the time this

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November 3, 2020 12:02 am
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…has intrigued me since I purchased The Winchester Book by George Madis in the late 70's.  One single sentence, in the chapter covering the Model 1876 was devoted to the subject:  "In 1878 45-90 cartridges with 450 grain bullets were offered but discontinued within a few months."

I think what

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November 2, 2020 4:40 pm
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…has intrigued me since I purchased The Winchester Book by George Madis in the late 70's.  One single sentence, in the chapter covering the Model 1876 was devoted to the subject:  "In 1878 45-90 cartridges with 450 grain bullets were offered but discontinued within a few months."

I think what

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November 2, 2020 4:25 pm
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…The weak spot on a 1876 is the chamber. On the failures I have seen the chamber bulges down and cracks the receiver  between the barrel threaded area and the magazine tube

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November 2, 2020 2:04 am
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…adopted it.  To think they took the standard 1877 Sharps load of 400 grains, upped it another 50grs to play with in this shorter case of the 1876 seems odd.

If it was a "45-90" built on the 45-75 case, I can see how it fits the action...but strength is another matter all together.

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…have not encountered any data that said Winchester made twist rates that fast in the 1876, but obviously they could do it.  Having built long range 45-90 lever guns that rival the power of the Sharps in 45-110, I personally would not…

…trust an 1876 loaded to UP to shoot 450-500 grain pills.  With the right twist and medium velocity I can't see it being a problem, save one issue.  The dwell…

…don't need to compress the bullet any more than normal.   It ends up being something more like a breach seat bullet. The .45-90 cartridge for the 1876 rifle was being used as a single shot, so it will be longer than the overall length of the original cartridges.  The bullet just needs to lightly…

…interesting to see it done on a modern reproduction.  

When Winchester did those maximum loading tests I talked about earlier in this thread the 1876 receiver was made of iron.  Steel did not replace iron on the 1876 (and 1873) receivers until the 1880's.  It seems to me the matter of strength

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November 2, 2020 1:11 am
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…adopted it.  To think they took the standard 1877 Sharps load of 400 grains, upped it another 50grs to play with in this shorter case of the 1876 seems odd.

If it was a "45-90" built on the 45-75 case, I can see how it fits the action...but strength is another matter all together.

I…

…have not encountered any data that said Winchester made twist rates that fast in the 1876, but obviously they could do it.  Having built long range 45-90 lever guns that rival the power of the Sharps in 45-110, I personally would not…

…trust an 1876 loaded to UP to shoot 450-500 grain pills.  With the right twist and medium velocity I can't see it being a problem, save one issue.  The dwell

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November 1, 2020 11:10 pm
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…read and care to chime in, they know way more of these cartridges than I.  Next, I had read the passages cited in the Houze book on the torture the 1876 was subjected to obtain its failure.  I lightly alluded to that in my passing above.  However, I am reminded of a discussion with a Remington…

….  It was enough to know that over time and with accumulated stress, something will eventually give out.  I would suspect that the case with the 1876, but obviously I have not tested to destruction nor do I intend to.  Also way too young to have been there back in the day!  My take for what its

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November 1, 2020 5:51 pm
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1876 action was plenty strong for black powder loads with heavier bullets.  See "The Winchester Model 1876 Centennial Rifle" by Herbert J. Houze pages 113-114.  Winchester conducted testing on the strength of the action during the fall of 1877.  Seven…

…grains each for a total of 2880 grains.   Test six was a charge of 203 grains of powder and six bullets with a weight of 2100 grains total. 

The 1876 action "worked well" in six of the tests. In test seven the load was 203 grains of powder and six bullets of 480 grains with a total weight of 2880…

…seven.

Also, there was a Model 1878 Winchester rifle musket in .45-70 that competed in arms trials that year.  It was essentially an enlarged 1876 action that was long enough to handle the length of the .45-70 cartridge.  The arm did not pass the service trails due to rust testing and was not…

…adopted by the U.S. Army but it does go to show that the basic 1876 action was strong enough to handle .45-70 cartridges.  See Houze, pages 165-171.  

I have not seen an original .45-90 cartridge for the 1876

…and you could shake it loose.  I never fired it.  

I suspect that during the early 20th century people tried to use heavier smokeless loads in 1876 rifles and this caused damage and injuries that led to the action being considered "weak."

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November 1, 2020 3:08 pm
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…of anyone with a box of such cartridges.  I can add that I DO HAVE a .45-90-500 cartridge and had it displayed some years back with my Model 1876 display.  The two loadings used a paper patched  bullet, and I weighed the loaded cartridge and compared its weight with a Winchester loaded .45…

… which is patently way too long.  No doubt the quick demise of the "single loading" version for long range use was due to the overworking of the 1876 action.  My thoughts only, though.  A further thought--the paper patching allowed the lead bullet to ride the lands and reduces pressure some

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November 1, 2020 2:32 pm
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…has intrigued me since I purchased The Winchester Book by George Madis in the late 70's.  One single sentence, in the chapter covering the Model 1876 was devoted to the subject:  "In 1878 45-90 cartridges with 450 grain bullets were offered but discontinued within a few months."

We of course

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November 1, 2020 2:07 pm
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… you might be able to get 5-shot groups at 100 yards of 3" or less.  

Those groups can be confirmed by the Sioux & Cheyenne on June 25/1876.

RickC

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RickC
November 1, 2020 12:32 am
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…idea of having one with brass or case colors is very tempting.  My thoughts to this end keep going back to when a fellow offered me a case colored 1876 and I passed.  Now I realized that it would have been a very fair deal.

Thanks for the great picture, too!!!  Beautiful!!!

James

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October 31, 2020 7:52 pm
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… need some help please. Have a 1876 in 45/60 that seems to be in time and cycle correctly except when the lifter is carrying the cartridge up to the chamber level the head of the

…is the front sight on my 1876. Has anyone seen a front sight this low? It doesn't appear to be filed or cut down. When I got the rifle, the bore was pretty much gone from black

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October 18, 2020 12:29 am
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…the thumb print dust cover, my 1876 made in Sept. 1878 has a much finer pattern. I realize mine is 1876 but still was made 2 months before this one. Wouldn't Winchester be using same covers within 2 months? Also, are those cleaning rods original to

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October 17, 2020 1:45 am
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…. Winchester wanted more proprietary cartridges on the market to compete with their competition. You had the 44wcf (1873), and 45-75wcf(1876), then the 38wcf(1879) added an additional center-fire cartridge. Along with the 45-60wcf & 50-95wcf in 1879. So now Winchester could

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October 14, 2020 2:23 pm
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…got a moose permit this year and I wanted to shoot it with my 1876 45-45 stamped by W.F. Sheard Livingston, Montana. I shot my previous moose in 1999 with a deluxe 1876 and figured it would be a good tradition to…

…shoot moose with the 1876. Conditions didn't work out for the 1876, I used my 300 WBY, but I still took some pictures with the 1876 for comparison...

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October 6, 2020 2:23 pm
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…page from a Winchester 1865 Catalog.  Please read the "to stiffen the Springs" paragraph.  The Directions page is the same up until around 1876.

The 3 set screws were never intended to be any tighter than what is necessary to get the proper operation of the main spring, carrier and lever.

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October 5, 2020 7:33 pm
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…they were designed for.

RickC  

  I hope what you mean by the words "these antique rifles" is pistol calibers in a 1873 model, not a 50-95 in a 1876 model.T/R

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September 28, 2020 10:07 pm
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…than a third the 1876 Express rifles made were 22 inch barrel models.  Many of these seem to have ended up overseas.  Many of the survivors today have British proof

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September 26, 2020 3:21 pm
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…would also seem those guys living in England ordering M1876 .50-95 short rifles... weren't using them to hunt anything in England.  However, India was probably the destination for many of those rifles. …

… Seems to me we see more British Proofs on .50-95 M1876's than any other chambering in that model.

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September 26, 2020 1:48 pm
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…who used the .44RF in a Henry and 1866 model without much success agains hippos (surprise!).

But what about the later Winchesters, such as 1876 and 1885 and 1886 (the latter two in .45-70, for example)? The 1876 was used by the British against Tigers in India I have heard, but what about

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September 25, 2020 7:07 pm
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…what the .50-95 was called until the .50-110 Express came along in 1887) was introduced in the May 1, 1879 catalog for a special version of the 1876 rifle.  The Express rifle was even priced differently than other 1876 rifles.

The .50-110 Express cartridge first shows up in the November 1887

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September 24, 2020 5:09 pm
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…for it is at least 15 years old.  It sold at least that long ago.  The barrel on it contains the early italic calibre markings as well as the Model 1876 rear ladder sight which is marked "1876".  Both are correct for a very early Model 1886.  There is no way to prove definitively that this barrel…

…the rest of the gun are a perfect match.  

It did all seem to match very well.  And as you say, it has the early italic caliber markings and the 1876 sight.  It's funny how owning that rifle would complicate my life.  A rifle that looks right, and probably is right, but it doesn't letter!  I've

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September 19, 2020 12:40 am
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…for it is at least 15 years old.  It sold at least that long ago.  The barrel on it contains the early italic calibre markings as well as the Model 1876 rear ladder sight which is marked "1876".  Both are correct for a very early Model 1886.  There is no way to prove definitively that this barrel

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September 19, 2020 12:19 am
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….  And as others said, you will end up with a Frankenchester.  They made a whole lot more M1873's than they did many of the other models (e.g. 1876, 1886, 1895) so there are plenty out there to be found in about any price range.  

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September 11, 2020 12:20 am
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… deluxe...etc, etc

1894-Lots of unique ones, engraved, enshrined, matted, short rifle, spruce guns, 94/95 hybrid (3), mint ones, etc,etc

1876- Lots of rare deluxe ones heavy barrel, 32” barrel two barrel band guns, heavy barrel deluxe, couple 50-95, SRC

 

So ping me if interested in

…you which specific Model it was intended for.  Based on when Lyman used the finer (wavy) cut knurling, most of them will be found on Model 1873, 1876, and early production Model 1885 Single Shot Rifles.  By the time the Model 1892 and 1894 were put into production, Lyman was already using the

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