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Want to start reloading for a 1876 40-60, dies seem to be difficult to find. Wondering if 40-65 dies from the 1886 can be used. Brass / bullets are not a problem supriseingly. If anyone has a line on some 40-60 dies that would be great
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Want to start reloading for a 1876 40-60, dies seem to be difficult to find. Wondering if 40-65 dies from the 1886 can be used. Brass / bullets are not a problem surprisingly. 

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Absolutely not… the 40-65 WCF cartridge is a necked down 45-70.  The 40-60 WCF is an entirely different dimensional cartridge.

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One avenue to explore may be a neck sizing die. The neck of the 40-60 appears to be long enough for this type of die but I haven’t tried it. 

 

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I didn’t figure they did, but thanks for getting back so quick. 

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I can make a bushing neck die, 40 / 41 mag may also work as a neck die. Have some Jameson brass coming, will know more then. 

Thanks for the suggestion.

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 What about a old  Winchester 1894 or 1882 tool in 40-60 WCF. That’s what I use, they show up for sale on EBAY every now and then. You don’t need a high condition one, just one with a good cavity.   T/R

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Is that like a Lyman tong tool? Are they caliber specific or use threaded dies?

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 If you search EBAY for “Winchester loading tool” you will see different models. The 1880 tool is made like a Lyman tong, the 1894 tool is a different design. They come in many calibers, you want Winchester 40-60, not Marlin 40-60. I just searched and nothing listed but you will see what they look like. The tool de-caps, caps, sizes, seats the bullet, and crimps. Price if you find one is about $150 and up depending condition. Winchester tools are collectable. T/R

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This is a Winchester 1880 tool and die in 40-60.

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All you need to do is squeeze the neck of a fired case so it will accept the new bullet.  Measure the neck ID of a fired case then drill a hole in a piece if aluminum that will reduce the neck ID to the point it will get you about .005″ of neck tension. Chamfer one side of the hole to get the case neck started.  Lube the case and press the case neck into the hole.  (Measure the diameter of the sized neck, seat the bullet, measure the neck again.  The difference is the neck tension in .001″ of an inch.)

This will get you by until you can find some dies.  You can seat the bullet with what ever you have, like a vise if necessary.

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TR and 1873Man ‘splained it very well.  For my .40-60 WCF reloading I use an original Winchester 1880 loading tool and a 1889 mold.  The mold drops a 210 grain bullet.

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I created a thread on reloading the .40-60 WCF last year.  

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What size are your bullets, 406? I have 210/220 41 mag bullets I can size down

I need to make a lead slug to check bore dia. I use a 38 hbwc and squash it in a vise a couple thou over bore…..works pretty slick.

Thats a good looking round Bill, those winchester tools are sweet……. BTW Grafs has brass if anyone needs some.

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The .40-60 Winchester tool is not that common, but it isn’t difficult to find.  Just sold one at the Cody show in July.  It was a model 1880 plier handle in excellent condition, with 70 % original finish and perfect chamber.  Sold for $225.00.  

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Don’t pass up a chance to score a Winchester mould. One in good condition works great and drops as good a bullet as most modern moulds.

Please keep us posted on your project.

 

 

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Will do.

Slugged the bore and it measures .404. Acme makes a 40-65 250 gr coated in .406 so that would be perfect. I use their .3135 115 coated in my ’73 32-20 and they group tight with no leading. The 41 mag FL die will work for a neck die as long as the neck walls are around .010. They size to .404. Already have a universal decap/seater that i made.

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I think you will find that a 260 grain bullet will not stabilize correctly in an original Winchester .40-60 WCF rifle.  The rifling twist was designed to work with a 210 grain bullet.

On the other hand, the .40-60 Marlin and .40-65 WCF (same cartridge, different name) used the 260 grain bullet.  The .40-82 WCF used it as well but they had different rifling twist.

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Yea i thought about that and decided to rework a Lee size die to .4055 and resized some .411 215 gr 41’s i had. Profile is similar to the factory bullet.

Should have everything to load tomorrow..Have some 4198 and sr4759, any suggestions for a mild load?

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