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I recently acquired a high condition ‘92 in .42-20 shipped in 1898. The problem I’m having is the lifter is positioning tha round above the bore so I have to use my finger to push it down. Sometimes it does go in by itself. My gunsmith is looking at it and wonders if the shape of the shell had anything to do with it. The brass is Starline for the most part, 115 grain.

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I meant .32-20

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Try adjusting the set screw on the bottom of the receiver.  There are 2 screws near the elevator.  One adjusts the tension on the lever spring and the other adjusts the tension on the elevator spring.

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Try adjusting the set screw on the bottom of the receiver.  There are 2 screws near the elevator.  One adjusts the tension on the lever spring and the other adjusts the tension on the elevator spring.

  

Thanks Chuck.

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  Are we talking about a 1873 or a 1892? T/R

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  Are we talking about a 1873 or a 1892? T/R

  

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 I think Chuck is talking about a 1873 or 1876 elevator system with the spring screws. T/R

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 I think Chuck is talking about a 1873 or 1876 elevator system with the spring screws. T/R

  

Hopefully Chuck will chime in. I did send that info to my gunsmith. Is this not applicable for the ‘92. If so what could be the problem?

My gunsmith thought the shell size could make a difference. Been using  Starline reloads. I do have some factory to try.

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Rick Vidrio said
I recently acquired a high condition ‘92 in .42-20 shipped in 1898. The problem I’m having is the lifter is positioning tha round above the bore so I have to use my finger to push it down. Sometimes it does go in by itself. My gunsmith is looking at it and wonders if the shape of the shell had anything to do with it. The brass is Starline for the most part, 115 grain.

  

It sounds like your cartridge is too long.  Check the overall cartridge length.  Could be the brass or the bullet length above the crimp could be too long.   Or could be the bullet shape.  

Photos of the receiver insides and cartridges may help.  

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The 92 lifter has a detent pin in the left side of the lifter that drops into a detent in the side of the receiver to stop lifter at correct height . Either the detent pin or the detent in the receiver is worn . A gunsmith is the answer.

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The 92 lifter has a detent pin in the left side of the lifter that drops into a detent in the side of the receiver to stop lifter at correct height . Either the detent pin or the detent in the receiver is worn . A gunsmith is the answer.

  

Thanks Oliver, Will check it out.

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Rick, if it helps here is a link to parts diagram and the Carrier, along with the Carrier Stop Pin (48 and 49 in the diagram)  Might also want to take a look at and make sure the Cartridge Stop (20) is not worn down and the Cartridge Stop spring (22)

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/winchester/rifles-win/1892-2

 

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Robert Alton said
Rick, if it helps here is a link to parts diagram and the Carrier, along with the Carrier Stop Pin (48 and 49 in the diagram)  Might also want to take a look at and make sure the Cartridge Stop (20) is not worn down and the Cartridge Stop spring (22)

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/winchester/rifles-win/1892-2

 

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Thanks Robert. You guys are great!

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Hello,

It’s probably a long shot but MAYBE someone replaced the lifter from a 38 or 44 WCF rifle into your rifle.  The large bore 1892’s had a flat surfaced lifter whereas the 32 and 25-20 WCF lifter is concave.  

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Like 1892takedown said it could be the cartridge length I would check your reloads with a reloading manual to rule out. I have taken apart many 1892 rifles and carbines over the years the first one is the hardest to put back together. Once you do it a few times its not really that hard to do. What I have found in the rifles that appear to have been taken down that sometimes they are not put back together correctly.  It could be that the cartridge guide on the left side is the problem. I had this happen on one of mine turned out that under the guide on the left side is a small stop spring. This spring actuates the stop joint and is held in place by a small screw. It could be that the spring is missing, busted, or installed incorrectly which is pretty easy to do. 

The 1892 in my opinion is easier to take down than an 1886 or even an 1894. If you study some videos on you tube and look at that diagram and study the parts if you are handy I bet you could fix it yourself.

Rob

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TR said
 I think Chuck is talking about a 1873 or 1876 elevator system with the spring screws. T/R

  

Tom you are correct.  I had my head you know where.

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