Dan Z said
What about sn L556175? I am trying to figure out if it is C&R.
That serial number falls into a gap in the published DOM records. I suspect that it is right on the borderline between Modern and C&R status. My recommendation would be to err on the safe side, and treat it as a Modern firearm.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
That serial number falls into a gap in the published DOM records. I suspect that it is right on the borderline between Modern and C&R status. My recommendation would be to err on the safe side, and treat it as a Modern firearm.
Bert
Where is that gap? In other words, where do the serial numbers pick up after the L prefix begins and what is the date? It is C&R if it was made in 1970 or earlier.
Also, this is a 1200 Riot with an 18″ barrel that is marked “Riot” instead of with a choke and has rifle sights. Any idea of value in very good used condition?
The gap begins with the addition of the “L” prefix in 1968. All Model 1200 serial numbers without the “L” prefix are C&R eligible. The DOM list that I have begins with serial number L739617 (listed as the approximate last serial number for the year 1972). I have no idea what a Model 1200 Riot Gun is worth.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Well to start with, you did not actually call “Winchester”. Instead, you called the Browning Arms Company service number. Browning has a lease to use the trademarked “Winchester” name, but they do not have any accurate information in regards to the firearms that were manufactured by the Winchester Arms Company. “Winchester” has been out of the gun making business since January 1981. They transferred most of the older records to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center of the West back in the late 1970s, and the rest of the records went in the dumpsters at the old New Haven Conn factory.
Per the GCA (Gun Control Act) of 1968 (enacted into law in November 1968), all firearms manufactured in the United States had to have unique serial numbers. As a result of that law, Winchester added the “L” prefix to the Model 1200 serial numbers in mid 1968. Your 1200 was manufactured sometime shortly before that time period. Accordingly, it qualifies as a “Curio & Relic” firearm.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
FWIW, the 1200/1300 is a damn fine piece of social equipment and quite possibly a bird gun. I have four of them strategically stashed and a 120 bird gun because…well, just because. My 1300’s are pretty awesome riot guns (social equipment) and I shoot the occasional round of skeet with them. I have trained with them at countless PD qualifications, tactical shotgun classes and even a few tactical shotgun matches. Yes, the 1300 was the riot gun that was with me every time I got in a squad car and more than once when I was glad to have the extra firepower. Unfortunately, they are not collector pieces at this time. They are all worth $250-300 but it will be the best money you ever spent! A few boxes of 00 Buck will break in the action and a box of slugs will confirm the sight regulation. Shooting a few rounds of skeet 3-4 times a year will make your social equipment feel at home in your hands.
The 1200/1300 rightfully traces its lineage back to the Model 1912/Model 12. For decades there was no finer gun on the Trap fields and to this day trap shooters straighten up and take notice when a Model 12 is in the rack. I have no doubt a 1200 will do fine there as well. Another pump gun and a few autos may outshine the Model 12 on the skeet field but a slick one is pretty hard to beat with the right nut behind the butt.
My point? The build date of your 1200/1300 is of little consequence. They are all very good guns and thankfully no one seems to have noticed. $250-300 will buy you as good a riot gun as you can buy, IMHO. The 1200 is a damn fine bird gun as most of us miss the second shot but working the action gives us time to think about it.
Bottom line? I have some pretty decent O/U shotguns and can afford the fancy B-words but when I NEED a scattergun I’ll have a lowly 1200/1300 in my hands if at all possible. If you’ve ever walked into a bad situation, chambered a round in a trusty 1300 and taken immediate charge of that situation you’ll appreciate what I’m saying.
Mike
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