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Consider the source.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
wolfbait said
Should a 1 of 1000 letter? http://www.gunbroker.com/item/675876200
It should, but R.LWilson’s book has a listing of most if not all of the known 1 of 1000. I have the book if you have the serial number it would give me a good reason to reread the book
Notice that the wording “One of One Thousand” is not even centered, top to bottom, within the border engraving around it.
To my eyes, the wear on the parts looks right for the age. But I have heard over the years of the skill some master craftsmen have in fabricating these. The provenance is interesting, the letter part bothers me.
The photos of the ‘One of One Thousand’ markings are taken with different cameras and of DIFFERENT GUNS.
November 7, 2015
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Some of the photos are from his “provenance” book. I think he’s offered this rifle before, looks familiar anyway.
TXGunNut said
Some of the photos are from his “provenance” book. I think he’s offered this rifle before, looks familiar anyway.
Same here. I’ve seen these photos before but not in a published book.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
It was listed in June in GB, http://www.gunbroker.com/item/651823330, ended 6/14/17 with no bids. Listed for $97,997 that time.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Here’s a link to a previous discussion regarding this FAKE. Seems everything this P.O.S. seller has for sale is FAKE…
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/winchester-1873-1-of-1000-engraved/#p61936
wolfbait said
Should a 1 of 1000 letter? http://www.gunbroker.com/item/675876200
In direct answer to your question, absolutely YES. The seller is a known flim-flam artist.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I would love to see that 2003 RIA catalog where the gun was listed. That could really expose this thing, unless RIA verified it in some manner. Unless I missed it, I can not find the serial number in his text or pictures. Here is an interesting letter, 1 of 1000 added in 1951, and the inscription is high on the barrel flat. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/4/winchester-model-1873-one-of-one-thousand
The group here did their job and was instrumental in the gun being returned to him as a fake a month or so ago and the seller’s money refunded after being confronted with the information listed here. Keep up the good work guys!
nanzca said
The group here did their job and was instrumental in the gun being returned to him as a fake a month or so ago and the seller’s money refunded after being confronted with the information listed here. Keep up the good work guys!
I’m a bit confused here. The last listing (ended 6/14/17) indicates 0 bids. Does GB delete all bids when a gun is returned or was there a previous listing that you are referring to? If it was returned as a fake, shouldn’t GB refuse to re-list the item?
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
November 7, 2015
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IIRC there were no bids.
Client of a friend of mine had purchased it and was on his way home with his new treasure and had the bad news broken to him. Shipped the gun back when he got home.
Anyone know who T E Hall was in 1951. Must have been pretty important to have 1 of 1000 entered in the records. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/4/winchester-model-1873-one-of-one-thousand
wolfbait said
Anyone know who T E Hall was in 1951. Must have been pretty important to have 1 of 1000 entered in the records. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/4/winchester-model-1873-one-of-one-thousand
T.E. Hall was the curator of the Winchester Museum when it was still in New Haven, CT. One of his responsibilities was researching and writing factory letters. See the attached document below.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
So the rifle is presently on an active auction on gunbroker. It seems the seller’s claims are as bold as ever. He claims it is a factory verified Model 1 of 1000, yet there is no mention in the museum letter? I don’t get it. How would a buyer be satisfied it meets the claims of his ad? I couldn’t read the other documentation easily, but there seems to be some documentation the 1 of 1000 markings have been on there for a couple of most recent past owners? To me, the rifle looks correct except for the 1 of 1000 markings. So, is the net result that a rare, factory engraved, gold and nickel plated, checkered, pistol grip rifle (these features verified), now sits in a defiled state because some (yes, off center on the barrel flat) markings have been added?
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