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Has any one ever done or have knowledge of a survey of the upper grades of carved and checkered stocks, by this I mean A thru F style carving on 1886’s?

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Carved stocks are rare on any Winchester lever-action rifle… regardless of which model. Typically, carved stocks are found on factory engraved guns. I do not believe that I have ever encountered a Winchester with carved stocks that was not also engraved.

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I have 2 1886 guns with carved stocks.

Bert , remember I have the E carved 1885 that is not engraved. It is  the only one I have ever seen. 

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For Bert-

I know it’s not a M1886 (hence off-topic – sorry Embarassed), but this M70 (S/N 87160) is Style D (oak leaf) carved and not engraved (unless you count the monogram on the trigger guardWink).

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It’s one of the second set of “RCS” factory custom rifles ordered by Dr. Russell C Smith in about 1948 and has been published in both Whitaker’s and Rule’s M70 books. This one is the 300 MAGNUM and it also has a special order stainless barrel.  Vinvanb once told me that there were (5) of these carved but not engraved M70s in the RCS order, but this is the only one Lou Leonard kept.

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Louis Luttrell said
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The line between fancy & gaudy is a fine one, & in this case, I think, overstepped.

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There was a Model 1886 with F or G style stocks at auction a few years back at auction.  I think it was Poulin’s but could be wrong.  No engraving, probably in .33 WCF.

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Here is a Model 1886 with “A” carved stocks (the highest grade) and $100 worth of engraving!

Ulrich Factory Exhibition Engraved Winchester Model 1886 Rifle | Rock Island Auction

 

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Here’s a “G” Carved 1886 ELW I’ve posted here before. I’ve yet to see another one with this carving. It has few other interesting anomalies as well.

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Here is the original post. Glad we all have fading memories so we can enjoy some of these a second time.

1886 26″ ELW TD – “G” Carved Stock | What’s New! | Forum | Winchester CollectorWinchester Collector

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Bert H. said
Carved stocks are rare on any Winchester lever-action rifle… regardless of which model. Typically, carved stocks are found on factory engraved guns. I do not believe that I have ever encountered a Winchester with carved stocks that was not also engraved.

Bert

Rob had one on his website a while back that I assume he sold. It was a Model 95 with Style B carved stock and was Not Engraved.

rtrecv.jpgImage EnlargerWinchester 1895 Second Model Deluxe Rifle .35 WCF s/n 63909 mfg 1911 – 24″ round barrel, Fancy walnut Grade B carved stocks, case colored crescent buttplate, sling screw eyes. Barrel retains 90% original blue finish; receiver and magazine retain 85% original bright blue; crescent buttplate show original case colors turning dark; stocks retain a high degree of original varnish.

So there was at least one! Got to be one of the fancist non-engraved Winchesters out there.

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There was a Model 1886 with F or G style stocks at auction a few years back at auction.  I think it was Poulin’s but could be wrong.  No engraving, probably in .33 WCF.

Thank you pdog72 (Gary)!

That’s exactly the rifle I was thinking of!  No wonder why my search of past auctions at Poulin’s proved useless yesterday.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/whats-new/1886-26-elw-td-g-carved-stock/

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Bert H. said
Here is a Model 1886 with “A” carved stocks (the highest grade) and $100 worth of engraving!

Ulrich Factory Exhibition Engraved Winchester Model 1886 Rifle | Rock Island Auction

 

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And it’s a .33 Cool

Tom is going to be all over this one!

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steve004 said

Bert H. said

Here is a Model 1886 with “A” carved stocks (the highest grade) and $100 worth of engraving!

Ulrich Factory Exhibition Engraved Winchester Model 1886 Rifle | Rock Island Auction

 

Bert

  

And it’s a .33 Cool

Tom is going to be all over this one!

  

It is certainly a beautiful gun. Yes Steve you had me at 33. But I don’t see that one showing up here unless I have a winning powerball ticket.  Also have just  read that a survey by Cody shows only 37 1886’s with carved stocks. 

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Hello Ralph,

I am not of the opinion that the stocks were carved by Winchester.  Winchester used 3X grade (or better) wood for the style A through F carved stocks.  Plain grain walnut was considered too soft for all grades of carving and checkering except the I pattern checkering.  Further, while the carving pattern on your rifle is very close to the “D” pattern, it is not identical to Winchester’s pattern.  Specifically, the length and shape of the Oak leaf extending rearward on the wrist of the stock.

It is not physically possible to “rechamber” a barrel from the 32 W.S. cartridge to the 32-40 cartridge.  A 32-40 cartridge chamber can be reamed out to the 32 W.S. cartridge though.  That barrel has always been a 32-40 (based on the markings on both the bottom and 10 o’clock flats).

Unfortunately, there are no surviving factory records except the PR serialization date. Speaking of that information, Model 1894 S/N 678334 was actually manufactured in late June of the year 1914. The rifle would have most likely been fully assembled in July 1914.

In summary, I believe that what you have is a special order ELW Model 1894 that has been embellished (the carved stocks) after the fact.  It originally had plain (non-checkered) stocks.  It would have been a highly desirable rifle if it had been left as manufactured, but somebody tried to enhance it further by carving the stocks.

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I believe the barrel has been turned down to create 1/2 octagon

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I believe the barrel has been turned down to create 1/2 octagon

  

Without a better picture of the transition from octagon to round, I did not want to condemn it yet, but I do agree that it looks a bit “off” (too short).

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Unless I’m mistaken a portion of barrel markings has been removed when turned in lathe

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Unless I’m mistaken a portion of barrel markings has been removed when turned in lathe

  

Pat,

You are correct… the barrel has been turned down after the fact.  The picture in topic post #14 clearly shows the truncated factory roll marking on the barrel.  At this point, I personally conclude that it is a non-factory original reworked rifle.

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Unless I’m mistaken a portion of barrel markings has been removed when turned in lathe

  

I like the carving, factory or not, but this is sheer butchery; merely to shave off a few ounces?

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The carvings are certainly well executed and attractive. It’s a shame the wood and metal enhancements are not original but I feel certain a buyer will come along who values quality workmanship over originality. An attractive rifle in a grand old cartridge. I like it.

 

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Bert. The assembly  numbers    on  the lower tang  match  the buttstock. with  no indication  on XXX   fancy wood  but CF  for Carved finish-  anyone  could  order  any  stock  checkering  they  wanted, by  your  post  above, and  example  , what  you say    simply  isn’t  true. there’s  no “special  rules”  for special orders  if  the customer  pays  for it..  The bore diameret  of .32-40  and  .32 Special  are both  .321, and  by  shortening  the  thread stub you can  in fact  rechamber a .32 Special  to .32-40……  I expected  the naysayers  here  to poo poo the quality  rifle  i present because  that’s seems  to be  the forrum procedure.  .The full Winchester name  is  there and  the .24″ barrel  divided at  the nosecap. Winchester  can  turn down  barrel  when  needed,   none  of    the  pundits  here can offer anything  but shit as  responses,  why  i don’t bother   with  the handful or  repeatin jackass opinions.and won’t anymore. The checkering is factory,  the rifle  special order….with  that many Special orders on  the same  riflw  i tend to think   you’all have yyer heads up yer asses. with  your opinions…

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