Log In
Members
Home
Add Reply
Add Topic
Offline
Pretty rare 1886 coming up at RIA…
Antique Winchester Model 1886 Lever Action Rifle in .40-95 Ex. | Rock Island Auction
Can’t say that I have heard of a 40 EX!
Chris
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
Never seen one of these. The Letter does not show the embossed logo in the signature area? Winchester did load a few 40-90 cartridges but none for an 86. The 86 action can not take the longer case of most 40-90’s. Maybe a 45-90?
The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles. Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge. As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.
My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles. Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge. As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.
Bert
Bert,
If you look at the barrel marking, its marked “40 EX”. So not for the 45-90.
I’ve never heard of a “40-95 Express” as made by Winchester. It would be interesting to know what the chamber is for, what its dimensions are.
I highly suspect the chamber is for the 40-82. But then again it could be for the “40-75-260WCF Express”, which makes a lot of sense.
As Bert said, they made a 40-110 Express but it is too long for the 86 action and was only for the model 85. There was also a 40-120 Express experimental cartridge, but again too long.
Sincerely,
Maverick
WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/
cj57 said
It is listed in John Madl’s book as 1 found
Interesting… I wonder what cartridge it will actually chamber? My bet is that it is some derivative of the 40-82 WCF.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R
TR said
Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R
Yep I agree with all of that. The 40 EX on the breech looks right
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
TR said
Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R
I agree wholeheartedly!
The caliber marking is similar to (but not the same as) the 40 Express cartridge marking used on the Single Shot rifle barrels.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I probably knew there was a M1886 listed in the record in that chambering. I just assumed it was an error. I guess not. This would be one to have!!
Maverick said
Bert H. said
The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles. Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge. As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.
My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.
Bert
Bert,
If you look at the barrel marking, its marked “40 EX”. So not for the 45-90.
I’ve never heard of a “40-95 Express” as made by Winchester. It would be interesting to know what the chamber is for, what its dimensions are.
I highly suspect the chamber is for the 40-82. But then again it could be for the “40-75-260WCF Express”, which makes a lot of sense.
As Bert said, they made a 40-110 Express but it is too long for the 86 action and was only for the model 85. There was also a 40-120 Express experimental cartridge, but again too long.
Sincerely,
Maverick
The 40-75 EX is just a 40-82 with a copper tube bullet. Case is stamped 40-82. Only the express bullet will tell them apart.
I’ve been thinking about this rifle a lot. It’s very intriguing. A chamber cast would provide much clarity. It is mentioned the .40 Express cartridge is too long for the M1886 action. However, I am reminded of the .45-90 cartridge made to be single-loaded in the M1876 rifle – essentially rendering it a single-shot rifle. The same could be done here. However, the .40-95 loading was a not a known version of the single-shot version of the .40 Express.
In the Bullard proprietary line-up, there was the .40-60, .40-70 and .40-75 – all variations on the same case. Which by the way, was the same case as the .40-65 Winchester (and the .40-60 Marlin). Then, there was the .40-90 Bullard, which was a dramatically different case than the other .40 versions of the Bullards.
This is a new .40 caliber on me.
There is a good chance this is a 40-82 for the express bullet making it a 40-75 EX. So maybe Winchester marked the barrel 40 EX?
steve004 said
I’ve been thinking about this rifle a lot. It’s very intriguing. A chamber cast would provide much clarity. It is mentioned the .40 Express cartridge is too long for the M1886 action. However, I am reminded of the .45-90 cartridge made to be single-loaded in the M1876 rifle – essentially rendering it a single-shot rifle. The same could be done here. However, the .40-95 loading was a not a known version of the single-shot version of the .40 Express.In the Bullard proprietary line-up, there was the .40-60, .40-70 and .40-75 – all variations on the same case. Which by the way, was the same case as the .40-65 Winchester (and the .40-60 Marlin). Then, there was the .40-90 Bullard, which was a dramatically different case than the other .40 versions of the Bullards.
This is a new .40 caliber on me.
Steve,
It is doubtful that you can even single load a true 40 EX (Single Shot cartridge) in a Model 1886. The 40-82 WCF (and 45-90 WCF) has a 2.4″ max case length… the 40 EX has a 3.25” case length
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Got to agree with Maverick and Chuck on the cartridge involved here. Giles and Shuey have the discussion and pictures of boxed ammo as Maverick showed.
Tim
I looked at the rifle yesterday, RIA is next to my table. I have been selling John Madls booklet on Identifying your model 1886 for 3 years. As you know one rifle is listed in the records as 40EX. IT is possible someone made this to profit handsomely. Does it letter? I will get the serial number today and find out.. Bill
The letter says “40-95 as per record”. I wish I was born rich instead of good lookin’, maybe I’d have that gun in My rack.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
426crown said
I looked at the rifle yesterday, RIA is next to my table. I have been selling John Madls booklet on Identifying your model 1886 for 3 years. As you know one rifle is listed in the records as 40EX. IT is possible someone made this to profit handsomely. Does it letter? I will get the serial number today and find out.. Bill
Hey Bill , did they bring the “Marshfield Find”?
FYI–It letters but don’t buy it–it is not real ..someone I know, whom I trust, knows the History. Bill
1 Guest(s)
