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Chris D
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Pretty rare 1886 coming up at RIA…

Antique Winchester Model 1886 Lever Action Rifle in .40-95 Ex. | Rock Island Auction

Can’t say that I have heard of a 40 EX! 

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Never seen one of these.  The Letter does not show the embossed logo in the signature area?  Winchester did load a few 40-90 cartridges but none for an 86.  The 86 action can not take the longer case of most 40-90’s.  Maybe a 45-90?

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The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles.  Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge.  As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.

My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.

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Bert H. said
The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles.  Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge.  As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.

My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.

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Bert,

If you look at the barrel marking, its marked “40 EX”. So not for the 45-90.

 

I’ve never heard of a “40-95 Express” as made by Winchester. It would be interesting to know what the chamber is for, what its dimensions are. 

I highly suspect the chamber is for the 40-82. But then again it could be for the “40-75-260WCF Express”, which makes a lot of sense.

As Bert said, they made a 40-110 Express but it is too long for the 86 action and was only for the model 85. There was also a 40-120 Express experimental cartridge, but again too long.

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It is listed in John Madl’s book as 1 found

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It is listed in John Madl’s book as 1 found

  

Interesting… I wonder what cartridge it will actually chamber?  My bet is that it is some derivative of the 40-82 WCF.

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 Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R

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TR said
 Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R

  

Yep I agree with all of that. The 40 EX on the breech looks right

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TR said
 Judging from the pictures the gun looks original, shows honest age, and caliber marking looks like Winchester stamped it. I would like to see the barrel makings under the barrel and a chamber cast. Maybe it is a one of a kind. T/R

  

I agree wholeheartedly!  

The caliber marking is similar to (but not the same as) the 40 Express cartridge marking used on the Single Shot rifle barrels.

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I probably knew there was a M1886 listed in the record in that chambering.  I just assumed it was an error.  I guess not.  This would be one to have!!

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Maverick said

Bert H. said

The true Winchester 40 Express cartridge (40-110) was solely made and chambered in the Single Shot rifles.  Winchester did not ever manufacture a “40-95” cartridge.  As Chuck alluded to, Winchester did load a pair of 40-90 cartridges… the 40-90 Sharps Straight and the 40-90 Ballard, and both are way too long for a Model 1886 action.

My guess is that the listing on RIA is a case of dyslexia and it should read “45-90”.

Bert

  

Bert,

If you look at the barrel marking, its marked “40 EX”. So not for the 45-90.

 

I’ve never heard of a “40-95 Express” as made by Winchester. It would be interesting to know what the chamber is for, what its dimensions are. 

I highly suspect the chamber is for the 40-82. But then again it could be for the “40-75-260WCF Express”, which makes a lot of sense.

As Bert said, they made a 40-110 Express but it is too long for the 86 action and was only for the model 85. There was also a 40-120 Express experimental cartridge, but again too long.

40-75Box-3.jpg

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Maverick

  

The 40-75 EX is just a 40-82 with a copper tube bullet.  Case is stamped 40-82.  Only the express bullet will tell them apart.

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I’ve been thinking about this rifle a lot.  It’s very intriguing.  A chamber cast would provide much clarity.  It is mentioned the .40 Express cartridge is too long for the M1886 action.  However, I am reminded of the .45-90 cartridge made to be single-loaded in the M1876 rifle – essentially rendering it a single-shot rifle.  The same could be done here.  However, the .40-95 loading was a not a known version of the single-shot version of the .40 Express.  

In the Bullard proprietary line-up, there was the .40-60, .40-70 and .40-75 – all variations on the same case.  Which by the way, was the same case as the .40-65 Winchester (and the .40-60 Marlin).  Then, there was the .40-90 Bullard, which was a dramatically different case than the other .40 versions of the Bullards.

This is a new .40 caliber on me.

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There is a good chance this is a 40-82 for the express bullet making it a 40-75 EX.  So maybe Winchester marked the barrel 40 EX?

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steve004 said
I’ve been thinking about this rifle a lot.  It’s very intriguing.  A chamber cast would provide much clarity.  It is mentioned the .40 Express cartridge is too long for the M1886 action.  However, I am reminded of the .45-90 cartridge made to be single-loaded in the M1876 rifle – essentially rendering it a single-shot rifle.  The same could be done here.  However, the .40-95 loading was a not a known version of the single-shot version of the .40 Express.  

In the Bullard proprietary line-up, there was the .40-60, .40-70 and .40-75 – all variations on the same case.  Which by the way, was the same case as the .40-65 Winchester (and the .40-60 Marlin).  Then, there was the .40-90 Bullard, which was a dramatically different case than the other .40 versions of the Bullards.

This is a new .40 caliber on me.

  

Steve,

It is doubtful that you can even single load a true 40 EX (Single Shot cartridge) in a Model 1886.  The 40-82 WCF (and 45-90 WCF) has a 2.4″ max case length… the 40 EX has a 3.25” case length

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Got to agree with Maverick and Chuck on the cartridge involved here.  Giles and Shuey have the discussion and pictures of boxed ammo as Maverick showed.

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I looked at the rifle yesterday, RIA is next to my table. I have been selling John Madls booklet on Identifying your model 1886 for 3 years. As you know one rifle is listed in the records as 40EX. IT is  possible someone made this to profit handsomely. Does it letter? I will get the serial number today and find out.. Bill

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The letter says “40-95 as per record”. I wish I was born rich instead of good lookin’, maybe I’d have that gun in My rack.

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426crown said
I looked at the rifle yesterday, RIA is next to my table. I have been selling John Madls booklet on Identifying your model 1886 for 3 years. As you know one rifle is listed in the records as 40EX. IT is  possible someone made this to profit handsomely. Does it letter? I will get the serial number today and find out.. Bill

  

Hey Bill , did they bring the “Marshfield Find”?

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FYI–It letters but don’t buy it–it is not real ..someone I know, whom I trust, knows the History. Bill 

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Well what’s the history on it.

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