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January 26, 2011
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I am looking for Model 1894 short rifle examples to add to the database “94shorties” started a while back. I know some of you contributed to the survey already but quite a few of the entries are incomplete, with some only showing the barrel length and fore arm length. I think the original survey was focused mainly on the debate about forearm lengths on these rifles, but I have recently taken his information and created several tables showing trends in the other features on the shorter than standard 1894’s.
I you would like to contribute to the study, please PM me, or you can post them right here and I will see if they are already in the list. Obviously, factory original examples are what we are looking for, so if you think backyard bubba worked on yours, its not wanted. There are currently 135 short rifles on the list.
Here are the details that I would like to have to enter them:
- complete serial number
- barrel length (24″ or shorter)
- forearm length (7 3/8″, 8 3/8″, 9 3/8″) for the shorter variations, is the rear sight dovetail moved back an inch?
- barrel type (round, octagon, 1/2 octagon)
- magazine length (full, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4)
- takedown?
- extra lightweight? if so, is the front sight dovetailed, or ramp style?
- butt (crescent, shotgun, carbine, swiss)
- caliber
- any other special order features (checkering, pistol grip, etc.)
If you want to post some pictures, I’m sure everyone would enjoy seeing some cool little short rifles.
Thanks in advance for your help with the study.
~Gary~
Gary,
In my survey of serial numbers 354000 – 1000000, I have (71) short rifles listed. Unfortunately, I did not record all of the details you are seeking, but I do have most of the information. If you are interested, send me an email message.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Gary,
Got one that may make it into your survey. Its a neat little rifle and shoots great too. While the letter doesnt mention the rear barrel sight, it is a 3 leaf express sight with platinum inlays. Front sight is a Lyman #4 ivory bead front sight, Lyman 21 receiver sight. 9 3/8″ forearm.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
January 26, 2011
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Chris, that is one you already gave me, but nice to see a picture of it. That’s a great looking gun, and I think the Lyman 21’s always look good on the ’94s.
Thanks for posting.
~Gary~
Gary,
I posted pictures of this one on the old forum so I don’t know if you got the information.
Bob
- Serial number 514956
- 22″ 1/2 Octagon
- Full mag
- forearm is 8 3/8″
- Center of the rear sight dovetail is 4″ from the receiver
- Crescent butt
- 30 caliber
- Pistol grip checked wood
- Engraved #9 pattern
- Double set trigger
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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January 26, 2011
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Bob,
That one was not in the list yet, so thanks for posting. Another fantastic rifle, what a beauty.
~Gary~
January 26, 2011
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These WACA members provided rifles with very limited information showing only barrel length and forearm length. If any of you care to share the rest of the information requested above it would sure help fill in some of the blanks. Thanks.
oldtimemainer, Floyd58523, Dane62, Mikec
~Gary~
Bob
I remember seeing that rifle reading back on the old forum. It’s a beautiful 1894.
Brad
Brad,
I don’t know if you remember the story with it, that was the one I got with the cut of the cards.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hi Bob
Remind me to never play cards with you! I would be interested in that story.
Walter
Hi
Here are 2 more.
1894
647546
16in oct barrel
30WCF
7 3/8 forearm
Carbine sights
Madis book
192820
Rifle
30 WCF
Barrel round
22 in
Extra light
Plain , Pistol Grip, Checkered
Lyman front and rear, Lyman leaf
1/2 Mag
Shotgun Butt Rubber
Takedown
Shipped 1903
Thanks
Walter
PS How many 1894 16 in Rifles are in your survey?
192820 Also threaded for Maxim- not listed in the search
I believe that 1903 was too early for a Maxim silencer.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi Bert,
Only 1 gun will letter with a Factory installed maxim silencer.
Walter
January 26, 2011
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wallyb said
Hi
Here are 2 more.
1894
647546
16in oct barrel
30WCF
7 3/8 forearm
Carbine sights
Madis book
192820
Rifle
30 WCF
Barrel round
22 in
Extra light
Plain , Pistol Grip, Checkered
Lyman front and rear, Lyman leaf
1/2 Mag
Shotgun Butt Rubber
Takedown
Shipped 1903
Thanks
Walter
PS How many 1894 16 in Rifles are in your survey?
192820 Also threaded for Maxim- not listed in the search
Walter, thanks for the info.
I already had 647546 from the Madis book.
On the other one, do you have the fore-end length? And does it have a ramped or dovetailed front sight? BTW – I have another one in my list that is threaded for silencer non-factory, I assume. I will add that as a note.
There are (5) 16″ rifles so far.
~Gary~
Hi Gary
1894 192820
Ramp front sight
8 3/8 forearm
I checkering
Walter
Gary,
Just saw this one on Gun Broker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=469491392
Rifle
SN 273334, sn applied on July 13, 1905
Caliber 30
Barrel type round
barrel length 22 inches
extra light
trigger plain
checkered stock, pistol grip
2/3 magazine
take down
oil finish
received in warehouse September 06, 1907, shipped from warehouse September 06, 1907
It even has the error patent date of August 14, 1894.
Al
January 26, 2011
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Al,
I already stumbled upon that one when it first listed but I thank you for checking with me. I noticed the patent error date right away and the seller did not mention it at first, but clearly one more nice attribute to an already appealing rifle. That one will go on my list of “someday” rifles. Very cool.
~Gary~
January 26, 2011
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wallyb said
Hi Gary
1894 192820
Ramp front sight
8 3/8 forearm
I checkering
Walter
Thanks Walter, those extra details sure help.
~Gary~
pdog72 said
Al,
I already stumbled upon that one when it first listed but I thank you for checking with me. I noticed the patent error date right away and the seller did not mention it at first, but clearly one more nice attribute to an already appealing rifle. That one will go on my list of “someday” rifles. Very cool.
I’ve seen this rifle before, but cannot remember where or when. Do you think the inscribed name on the left side of the receiver is factory??
If it was factory, it would of been on the letter and the engraving looks fairly fresh. He was 12 years old when the gun was shipped, not to many 12 year olds would get a new 94 back then. Now he did have a son by the same name Corneilius A Wood jr.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69575614
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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