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28 gauge said

 Those Henry looking rifles used on Bonanza, were nothing more than Model 92 Winchesters with the forend removed.

 

 There were two versions of Winchester 73 made .The first with Jimmy Steward  in 1950 and the other made in the later 1960s.Just forget who starred in the late 60s version,but do remember watching it.Smile  

Not surprising that the Henrys were faked–fakery is the definition of movie-making; but very surprising that the producers were savvy enough to have heard of the Henry.  By the time period in which Bonanza was set, Henrys were already obsolescent anyway.

Can you remember if the ’60s version made use of that same fake “engraved” 73 used in the ’50 version?

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I’m a Big Valley guy. Love the opening score. Oh, and did I mention Audra??

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I agree that the vast majority of the “Bonanza” Henry’s were model 92 look-a-likes.  However, an original Henry can clearly be seen in (1959) season 1 episode 1 and 3.  It is visible in several other early episodes also.

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clarence said

Not surprising that the Henrys were faked–fakery is the definition of movie-making; but very surprising that the producers were savvy enough to have heard of the Henry.  By the time period in which Bonanza was set, Henrys were already obsolescent anyway.

Can you remember if the ’60s version made use of that same fake “engraved” 73 used in the ’50 version?  

 No cannot say that I can remember.been awhile since I saw it.

 Will look around on the web sometime.Perhaps there is a version of it available on line.

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 Just looking around the web a bit.Seems the movie was made in 1967 and starred John Saxon.There are some clips of the movie available on You Tube.

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clarence said

By the time period in which Bonanza was set, Henrys were already obsolescent anyway.

Come on Clarence, Winchesters are forever ConfusedSmile  Henry’s too, provided we had ammo. 

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I never knew there was a second version of Winchester 73.  I will have to look it up. Thanks.

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There was a second version of Winchester ’73 and as stated by 28 gauge, one of the stars was John Saxon.  It also stared Tom Tryon and Dan Duryea, who played Waco Johnny Dean in the original movie with Jimmy Stewart.  The ’73 used in the remake, was not one of the three that were made up for the original version.  A friend of mine has one of the three that were made for the Stewart  movie.  He also owns one of the first twenty original 1 of 1000 rifles that was reported in the 1950 survey, as well as the 94 carbine that was awarded to the owner of that rifle.  Personally, I  think the remake of Winchester ’73 was a dog, compared to the original version.

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Hey there win 4575 Your friend has very deep pockets, lucky dog.

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win4575 said
Personally, I  think the remake of Winchester ’73 was a dog, compared to the original version.  

I read some reviews and you are not alone.  But I’ll probably put it in the queue anyway.  Wink

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There was a second version of Winchester ’73 and as stated by 28 gauge, one of the stars was John Saxon.  It also stared Tom Tryon and Dan Duryea, who played Waco Johnny Dean in the original movie with Jimmy Stewart.  The ’73 used in the remake, was not one of the three that were made up for the original version.  A friend of mine has one of the three that were made for the Stewart  movie.  He also owns one of the first twenty original 1 of 1000 rifles that was reported in the 1950 survey, as well as the 94 carbine that was awarded to the owner of that rifle.  Personally, I  think the remake of Winchester ’73 was a dog, compared to the original version.  

The original with Jimmie Stewart is the best. The second version was a TV Movie released in 1967. I posted about it a while back here on the forum. They used an original thumb print dust cover 1st Model 73. I don’t know if it was engraved for the TV movie or not. Still an interesting gun, I’d love to know the serial number of it, and where it resides today.

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The guns I mentioned above are pictured on the inside of the fly cover of Ed Lewis’s book on the 1 of 1000 and 1 of 100.  This original 1 of 1000 and the movie gun pictured with it are also pictured and described on page 145 and 170.

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Maverick said 

I don’t know if it was engraved for the TV movie or not. 
 

Surely nothing as atrociously crude & ugly as that could be original, could it!  The wood, also, looks far too good to be original.  Some beater from the prop dept., specially pimped up for this production, is my guess.

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The guns I mentioned above are pictured on the inside of the fly cover of Ed Lewis’s book on the 1 of 1000 and 1 of 100.  This original 1 of 1000 and the movie gun pictured with it are also pictured and described on page 145 and 170.  

Does the book indicate what happened to the other two guns after filming ?

Winchester ’73 is one of my favorites but the only thing I found a little Hokey was the snappy-twisting motion of mounting of the gun in the shooting contest.

I also read somewhere that a Winchester Exhibition Shooter was employed to help the actors with shooting form, but I don’t remember who they said it was.

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David McNab said  

Winchester ’73 is one of my favorites but the only thing I found a little Hokey was the snappy-twisting motion of mounting of the gun in the shooting contest.

  

A little?  Sure didn’t learn that from the exhibition shooter…if there really was one. 

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clarence said

David McNab said  
Winchester ’73 is one of my favorites but the only thing I found a little Hokey was the snappy-twisting motion of mounting of the gun in the shooting contest.
  

A little?  Sure didn’t learn that from the exhibition shooter…if there really was one.   

I hear ya,

Actually it is the most ridiculous thing that I’ve ever seen. But I was being diplomatic because sometimes my opinions make trouble.

I’ll watch the movie again – maybe it’s in the credits who helped out. ( Seriously, I’ve read this somewhere.)

Although I didn’t notice such foolishness in any other James Stewart Westerns.

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David McNab said 

Actually it is the most ridiculous thing that I’ve ever seen. But I was being diplomatic because sometimes my opinions make trouble.

I’ll watch the movie again – maybe it’s in the credits who helped out. ( Seriously, I’ve read this somewhere.)

In “old” Hollywood, every studio had a publicity dept. whose chief function was to write hype about the making of a film, the lives of the actors, other production details–it’s what provided grist for the movie mags, of which there about two doz before WWII; this story smells like one of those.

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clarence said

David McNab said 

Actually it is the most ridiculous thing that I’ve ever seen. But I was being diplomatic because sometimes my opinions make trouble.
I’ll watch the movie again – maybe it’s in the credits who helped out. ( Seriously, I’ve read this somewhere.)

In “old” Hollywood, every studio had a publicity dept. whose chief function was to write hype about the making of a film, the lives of the actors, other production details–it’s what provided grist for the movie mags, of which there about two doz before WWII; this story smells like one of those.  

Could be…, Anyway True West Magazine writer Phil Spangenberger wrote in 2006 that the Cody Museum displays a Winchester Model ’71 ( Seventy One )

that exhibition shooter Herb Parsons used to do the trick shots in the film. ( Google this you’ll see it )

And, maybe the gun mounting baloney was just for looks in the movie.

I checked the credits in the Movie/DVD and no mention of this. 

Imagine what would happen if you pulled this gun-mounting BS out at the range in front of some ‘Old Timers” …Laugh

Being north of 60 myself I know what I’d think. 

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Herb Parsons was the gun coach.  I’m sure the director had something to do with the “snap” at the shoulder.  Herb actually shot the holes in the silver dollar during the movie.  David is correct.  He used a model 71 in .348WCF and yes the coins were in the air when he shot them.  What a guy.

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win4575 said
Herb Parsons was the gun coach.  I’m sure the director had something to do with the “snap” at the shoulder.  Herb actually shot the holes in the silver dollar during the movie.  David is correct.  He used a model 71 in .348WCF and yes the coins were in the air when he shot them.  What a guy.  

 After reading the post,I remember reading some where before about a Model 71 .348 being used for some  shots in the movie.Completely forgot about it until I read the post.Getting old I guess.LOL

 

 I believe the snappy shoulder shots ,were suppose to show that the two men had been trained by the same man .I believe Earp says something to that effect in one of his lines,in the movie.

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