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Winchester mold for sale on eBay - 50 Express round ball?
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March 12, 2021 - 5:33 pm
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I saw this on eBay, I have no dog in the fight.  A Winchester 50 Express round ball mold??  Never seen one like it.  To my knowledge the 50 Express was not used with round balls, although I guess any rifle cartridge can be loaded that way.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Winchester-50-Cal-Round-Ball-Mold-50-Express/373491601887?hash=item56f5d591df:g:SWAAAOSwBS5gSQgk

Have any of you seen a Winchester mold like this before?

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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I’ve not seen anything like it before.  However, it might be just the ticket for my Standard Arms Camp .50 – which at the time of manufacture, was for, “buck and ball.”

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Probably not very desirable except for a tool and mold collector, but boy, that’s got to be a rare bird.  Obviously special order and cherried by Winchester, as it has not been recut from another caliber mold.

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Probably not very desirable except for a tool and mold collector, but boy, that’s got to be a rare bird.  Obviously special order and cherried by Winchester, as it has not been recut from another caliber mold.  

It is indeed a rare bird and to boot its in the 4th Model Mold. It is an original factory produced mold. The only thing I find odd, and strictly more of a puzzled “Huh” than being worried about any authenticity. Is why the caliber marking is “50 Express” and not “50 Round Ball”. But it is what it is.  

I have a 5th Model Mold in 45 Round Ball, so I’ve seen this before. I have found some factory notation that states they would make any caliber Round Ball mold. Price was $1.50 verses the regular $1.10 for a bullet mold. I have no idea how many were made, but not many as this is the first one I’ve seen in .50 Caliber. 

Somebody wanted it more than me! If I didn’t have five mouths to feed I’d made it mine. Who knows maybe one day I’ll get it in a poker game!

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Maverick said

Somebody wanted it more than me! If I didn’t have five mouths to feed I’d made it mine.

The seller, who probably had maybe $10 in it, & considering the starting price of $15, would have jumped for joy had it sold for $50, must have thought he was hallucinating when he saw the final price. 

And yet some folks keep talking about “declining interest”?

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I had followed it as well.  I think interest is all over the place.  I’ve seen items sell for less than I thought they should and other items sell for more.  Some, much more.  I doubt a young person purchased this mold Wink

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I would not have guessed it would sell for that high.  Someone wanted it pretty bad.

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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I would not have guessed it would sell for that high.  Someone wanted it pretty bad.  

At least two people had to want it pretty bad for it to sell that high.

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steve004 said

At least two people had to want it pretty bad for it to sell that high.  

If Maverick was bidding, he helped the seller reap his bonanza.

In the early days of ebay, it was possible to communicate directly with other bidders.  If you recognized another bidder, you could say, “hey, buddy, let’s not drive this thing sky-high,” & one or the other might agree to back off.  Ebay queered that by disguising bidder’s IDs, & making it impossible to send each other PMs.

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Had no idea it would go that high. May have to study up on this mould & tool thing. 

 

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clarence said

steve004 said

At least two people had to want it pretty bad for it to sell that high.  

In the early days of ebay, it was possible to communicate directly with other bidders.  If you recognized another bidder, you could say, “hey, buddy, let’s not drive this thing sky-high,” & one or the other might agree to back off.  Ebay queered that by disguising bidder’s IDs, & making it impossible to send each other PMs.  

It’s pretty obvious why ebay put a stop to a path for bidders to contact each other.  I find there is sometimes a way to do this on gunbroker.  By clicking on the bidder’s feedback, if they happen to have anything currently up for auction, you can contact them through one of their items.   

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steve004 said

It’s pretty obvious why ebay put a stop to a path for bidders to contact each other.  I find there is sometimes a way to do this on gunbroker.  By clicking on the bidder’s feedback, if they happen to have anything currently up for auction, you can contact them through one of their items.     

There was another reason–it was also possible to warn other bidders that an item was mis-described or defective, info that ebay most certainly didn’t want circulated!  I got to know several people who shared my interests that way, now impossible.

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Well in this case it was more than two people. One person bid at $60 and was the continual winning bidder up to $555.00. Until a totally different winning bidder got it at $565.00 at the last minute.

I probably know who got it, or know someone who knows them. One of a kind item like this, somebody is liable to throw a crazy number out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if the winning bidder didn’t put a $1,000.00 on it to secure the item.

The crazy thing is, if the seller had put a Buy It Now price of $650.00, it could have stayed listed for months. You just never know.

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That round ball in a winchester was probably pretty effective out to 50-75 yards. It would be just like shooting a .50 muzzleloader , only with a quick follow up shot!Laugh

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