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Any info on this cartridge

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How exactly is the case head marked?  There were .44 CFs with cases very similar to the Henry RF, such as the .44 Evans.

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I’ve only seen two original cartridges, that I can think of.  The .44 Henry Center Fire cartridge is way beyond rare and almost non-existent.  The cartridges I examined were brass, not copper cases and had no headstamp.  They are essentially a .44 Henry Rim Fire, but center fire primed.  I have a ’66 carbine in .44 Henry Center Fire, but I’ve never been able to buy a cartridge in this caliber.

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Welcome, Gene! Does the 1866 appear to be converted from rim fire?

 

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What is old is new again!  Suggest looking up my article in the Spring 2015 “Collector”, pages 48 to 49.  On page 49 are pictures of actual 44 Henry flat centerfire alongside rimfire cartridges (plus a .44 American that will chamber in a 1866).  Among the pictures are a factory dummy 44 Henry Flat Centerfire as well as an actual .44 Henry Flat Centerfire from about 1891.  The latter is fairly well pictured (number 4 in the pictures).  I think this will help with this discussion.  Tim 

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gene66 said
Any info on this cartridge

  

What are you looking for? info on a certain make of the cartridge? Or what cartridge fits the 66?

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tim tomlinson said
What is old is new again!  Suggest looking up my article in the Spring 2015 “Collector”, pages 48 to 49.  On page 49 are pictures of actual 44 Henry flat centerfire alongside rimfire cartridges (plus a .44 American that will chamber in a 1866).  Among the pictures are a factory dummy 44 Henry Flat Centerfire as well as an actual .44 Henry Flat Centerfire from about 1891.  The latter is fairly well pictured (number 4 in the pictures).  I think this will help with this discussion.  Tim  

Thought the only reason ’66s remained in production was for shooting cheaper RF ammo–an advantage lost if CF was used.  Several other .44 CFs have case dimensions very close to the Henry.  There were CF analogues for many RF cartridges, & Ballards & Wessons had convertible firing pins allowing use of both types. 

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Looks like I responded to the wrong forum post, as there is apparently two now.

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The one on the right is the 66 rimfire.

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Chuck, The one on the right is probably a 66 center fire.

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Thanks Bob.  I meant to say center fire. 

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Chuck said
Thanks Bob.  I meant to say center fire.  

Back in my day we called them central fire.

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clarence said

Chuck said

Thanks Bob.  I meant to say center fire.  

Back in my day we called them central fire.

  

That’s really showing your age.  I’ve got a bunch of boxes that say that too. Laugh

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Chuck and Clarence,  Seems to me the boxes ceased saying ‘central fire’ about the turn of the century.  From the 1800’s to the 1900’s!  So who is REALLY OLD?!  For all that I’ve been known to say ‘central fire’ and I am but a spring chicken.  Yeah, right!Laugh Tim

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I feel pretty young in this crowd, can’t even get away with putting an extra syllable in “cartridges”. 

 

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I’ve only seen two original cartridges, that I can think of.  The .44 Henry Center Fire cartridge is way beyond rare and almost non-existent.  The cartridges I examined were brass, not copper cases and had no headstamp.  They are essentially a .44 Henry Rim Fire, but center fire primed.  I have a ’66 carbine in .44 Henry Center Fire, but I’ve never been able to buy a cartridge in this caliber.

  

I was given the one I have from Doug Benick a long time Henry and 66 collector.  He had 2 and gave me one.  He also sold me 30+ Henry rounds that came out of a hundred round box.  He sold his full box to a fellow collector that now has 2 of them.

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