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Tin Type; Gentelman w/1873 Rifle
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February 14, 2022 - 1:24 am
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IMG_3429.jpgImage Enlarger Sorry but I had to straighten the picture ?  it was driving me crazy ?

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What’s that tucked in his belt?  Maybe a .38 cal Merwin & Hulbert, nickel finish?

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February 14, 2022 - 1:53 am
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Its a first model 73.

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1873man said
Its a first model 73.

Bob  

I was referring to the revolver.

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I was responding to Limestones post. I should of quoted his post.

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mrcvs said

I was referring to the revolver.  

I can’t make out a hammer, though that may be due to lack of definition in the photo.  S&W New Departure?

The Mills belt appears to be stuffed with bottle-neck cartridges; pretty rare in ’73s.  The rifle, revolver, & belt may have been supplied by the photog. 

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It kinda crazy with these pictures. When I first turned it upright and saved it….then I started to upload the picture but it was in a different position but not upright and it was still wrong. What you have to do is straighten it and then alter the picture by making it smaller or a tad bigger and then save it. Then you use this new version and it works. Screenshot_20220213-214544_Photo-Editor.jpgImage Enlarger

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Played with it some more.

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looks to be taken in a photo studio, with the big shells in the cartige belt and background.

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[email protected] said
You could be correct on that!
Don’t know! Smile  

He’s certainly correct about that!  Such studios often provided some or all the props used in the photo.  I don’t think the Mills belt has anything to do with the ’73.

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clarence said

I don’t think the Mills belt has anything to do with the ’73.  

From a historic stand point Winchester did become the sole provider for the Mills cartridge belt.

From looking at the photo closely, those could be 44-40 cartridges. Notice that there is a depression mid-way up the cloth loop on the belt. At that point the cloth loop is not as tight below it. Eye balling it looks like it would be the proper length for 44wcf. 

The back ground and carpet floor make it apparent its in a studio. But there is no way of knowing if the Studio provided the firearms & accoutrements.

I suspect they may have belonged to the subject of the photo. If the gentleman had the money to purchase a photo, I’d imagine he was able to have the rifle and pistol. Your run of the mill person never could afford to have their photo taken. 

We as firearms collectors tend to focus on these period photos with firearms. But there is no doubt a slew more of them taken without any firearm. 

Just like today, its a lot easier to control the lighting conditions in the studio. Its a neat old photo.

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Maverick said
 If the gentleman had the money to purchase a photo, I’d imagine he was able to have the rifle and pistol. Your run of the mill person never could afford to have their photo taken. 
 

Maverick, photography is my “other” hobby.  The multitude of studio photos that have survived the vicissitudes of time, not counting the greater number that did not survive, contradict that assumption.  People of very ordinary means could afford to buy them, esp. relatively cheap tintypes, & did so in great numbers. Even by the time of the Civil War, itinerant photogs were traveling all over backcountry America, such was the demand for portrait photos.

Enlarging the Mills belt as much as possible, I do see what appears to be a crease in the loops that might suggest short cartridges, but I also see what might be bullet noses protruding out of the bottom of the loops. Can you see what I’m talking about? Possibly they’re just shadows cast by an overhead light source.

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Clarence,

That is what I thought I saw sticking out the bottom, a nose of a bullet. I have a couple tin types one of a guy standing holding a 73 and he has a pedestal or prop behind him to steady his movement which was done in studios. I can see one leg of it behind one foot and a bulge in his coat where it wraps around his mid section. On this tin type I don’t see a pedestal but he has the gun bracing him. I have another with a 66 rifle and he’s on one knee and he bracing to something beside him. With the long exposure time of the cameras back then they had to hold very still.

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Limestone,

What is the size of the tin type?

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Didnt notice a loading gate in the photo, or at least I cant make one out, its a little dark in that area of the sideplate.  22 cal??

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Chris,

All tin types I’ve seen are reversed images so you are looking at the left side of the gun.

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Maverick said

From a historic stand point Winchester did become the sole provider for the Mills cartridge belt.

 

How was Winchester marketing them?  Can find no listing for them in catalogs between 1874 & 1916, but many other accessories–slings, gun cases, recoil pads, cleaning supplies, etc.

To answer my own question, NOW I know why I didn’t find them–Winchester’s monopoly lasted only 5 yrs., & I guess that period falls into a gap in my catalog collection.

Here’s one of the most interesting & informative threads ever started on this forum, which is where I found the above info, & well worth reading again:  https://winchestercollector.org/forum/general-discussions-questions/mills-belt-what-caliber-was-it-made-for/page-2/

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1873man said
Chris,

All tin types I’ve seen are reversed images so you are looking at the left side of the gun.

Bob  

Thats what I was thinking but wasnt sure, then went and looked at the tintype of Billy the Kid that I knew was reversed.  Thanks.

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The photo is definitely reversed.  We are looking at the left side of the receiver.  Notice the dog’s-head brass belt plate.  The dog’s nose is pointing to the left in the photo, but in fact, the nose points to the right on an original buckle.  Pretty cool photo, but because of all the mismatched equipment, I am sure that at least the belt and pistol are studio props.  If this guy carried a pistol, it would most likely be in a holster, not tucked in his waist band.

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Limestone,

Your pictures are also very low resolution.

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