mrcvs said

steve004 said

I think I read earlier in the thread that the asking price was $10K?  For me, that’s a very strong indication that it isn’t all original.  

Agreed!

  

I haven’t really studied it, but if it were all original. I guessing the ballpark is $60-80,000.00? Has anyone found where a mint condition antique 86 SRC has sold recently?

Sincerely,

Maverick

Like Chuck said, in a dark room, take a flashlight and shine it on the barrel and magazine tube and you should be able to see the underlying rust or patina/brown.  Then compare that to another winchester barrel known to be original finish and compare the two.  Its odd the weld for the front sight post did not take the blue, note the lighter halo around the post.  The wood on the forearm, at least in the photos, shows a little more open grain than does the buttstock.  Is that open grain due to finish wear and how does that relate to the overall condition of everything else.  

There doenst appear to be much of any wear on the high points of the barrel bands.  Would anticipate seeing some fading on the CCH whether on the buttplate, lever, or receiver if original.  Especially the buttplate where the weight of the gun sat on an underlying surface for the past 100+ years if stored that way.  Would expect to see potentially more yellow/red/blue and less of the heavier brown in the CCH.  Would compare the CCH to other known original guns to compare the color, CCH pattern, etc before making a call.  You may also compare the CCH to other restorers work besides Turnbull to see if there are any similarities in the CCH color combinations or patterns. There are a number of them out there easily found on an internet search.

No expert by any means, but those are the things that come to the forefront.  Im not a fan of super high condition guns for this very reason and avoiding having to ask these kinds of questions.   As Maverick/Steve/mrcvs pointed out above, the price-point at 10K would seem a bit low if original, provided the owner knows what it is.   

In the end, if you like and enjoy the gun, thats all that matters.

 Kirk,

 One thing to check on a 50cal 1886, especially if it has been restored or upgraded is the action. Does it feed a round? Several machine cuts were made in receiver parts and magazine to use the 50-110 round. In the 38, 40, and 45cal guns you can interchange internal parts, but not the 50. It takes a talented gunsmith to make a converted 50cal action work. During restoration if some key internal parts have been replaced with parts from the smaller calibers you own a single shot carbine. T/R 

I had concerns about the shallowness of the barrel address.  The recent photos (#2 and #3) are dark and blurry.  But, you had posted a much clearer photo of the barrel address earlier.  I compared that to photo number 3.  Given you are able to hold them in your hands, what is your assessment when you compare the barrel addresses?

Kirk Fitzgerald said

1 Mavrick/Issue: The forearm barrel fit should be “nice and square with the barrel”. Photo 2 the question gun. Photo 3 is of the other Cal. 50/110. The photos show a difference. Explanation?

If you compare where I have put the white arrows verses the black the appears, the white areas appear to indicate wear vs black no wear. Which I would expect this as for normal wear on a SRC to have with some use. But I find it inconsistent with the rest of the wear on the carbine. But this is hard to tell from photos the level of wear.  I would expect the level of wear on the wood to be on a gun with lesser condition in my humble opinion.

   Issue express rear site: Photo 4 is the rear site on the question gun. Photo 5 is a photo of the other 50/110. The 45-70 also has the same site. All three have the same sites.  

Of the two photos shown, the measurements on the leafs are at different increments. 

Sincerely,

Maverick