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Another Roger’s Restoration rifle:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/947248608
Kind of an appealing piece.
steve004 said
Another Roger’s Restoration rifle:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/947248608
Kind of an appealing piece.
Except for that stupid repro tang sight; even an original mid-range would be out of place on a rifle of this configuration. So Roger has gone the way of all flesh? Sad to hear it, if he was capable of work of this quality, & I also respect his policy of marking his restorations.
clarence said
steve004 said
Another Roger’s Restoration rifle:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/947248608
Kind of an appealing piece.
Except for that stupid repro tang sight; even an original mid-range would be out of place on a rifle of this configuration. So Roger has gone the way of all flesh? Sad to hear it, if he was capable of work of this quality, & I also respect his policy of marking his restorations.
Yeah, that tang sight would have to go!
clarence said
So Roger has gone the way of all flesh? Sad to hear it, if he was capable of work of this quality, & I also respect his policy of marking his restorations.
I haven’t heard that he has passed away but it may be so. He closed his doors and disappeared. Last I knew he was living with his daughter and grand children but who knows where?
Chuck said
He closed his doors and disappeared. Last I knew he was living with his daughter and grand children but who knows where?
Sounds more like absconding than retiring.
Am always pleasantly surprised by the education I get from you guys.
Gratefully 
Kirk
All,
Based on the above discussions I still am not sure what I have, A really nice old gun or a restoration. I have contacted Sara Turnbull and she was nice enough to search their database and the gun’s Serial Number it was not found. Checked the lower right tang for Rodger’s mark and it is not marked. So here it is for all to see and comment. Note the only visible wear is on the two high points of the butt plate as if it was stored upright sitting on the plate. The wood is not fancied up as with a lot of restorations.
NOTE: When you comment I would appreciate a confidence factor, on a scale of 1 to 10. One (1) being, I just logged on for the first time, I’m a Democrat and I just wanted to provide my expertise. Ten (10) being, I taught Bert everything he knows. Thanks.
Cheers
Kirk
The shallowness of the stamping of the barrel address (middle section) leaves me wondering.
426crown said
Looks like a 10 to me, perfect wood to metal fit…
That alone is not conclusive, because the best restorers can achieve such a perfect fit. However, I’m inclined to believe it’s the “real thang,” stored in a nitrogen chamber, bank vault, or who knows how. Ought to be provenance for a gun in this cond., like being in the personal collection of Edwin Pugsley, or some other famous collector.
Something for Kirk to consider if he buys this gun is that he’ll encounter the same doubts if & when he ever decides to resell it.
November 7, 2015
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Kirk-
With a confidence factor of 2.3 I’ll opine that we are looking at a very nice restoration. To my eye the only clue is the wood finish but there are likely others for those who are more familiar with the correct stampings. My biggest problem with the gun is that it’s simply too good to be true. I hope I’m wrong.
Mike
TXGunNut said
My biggest problem with the gun is that it’s simply too good to be true.
Yes, that’s THE problem! Yet, a time or two in my life, I’ve actually encountered it, as when I stumbled upon a “brand new” Krag carbine. The most critical benchmark is the case coloring–this isn’t the “technicolor” seen in some restorations, but is it the natural fading that can be expected after 100 yrs of aging? Actually, what is “natural fading”? Exposure to sunlight? Where’s the evidence (beyond hearsay) that UV can do that?
It’s possible that the caliber itself led to the gun being shelved–expensive & not to be found everywhere. It letters?
Kirk,
What does she look like with her Skirt Off?
How’s the underside of the barrel, tang and wood marked? Does it have matching numbers? Is the barrel marked as it should be? Any sign of pitting on the barrel?
If it hasn’t been restored, its most certainly been well cleaned. I’d expect some dirt, dust, grim around the receiver and barrel. Along with other areas. The lack of wear, even slight wear in areas is odd to me. Normally you see where the sling ring has rubbed on the receiver, leaving a mark. Also it being a SRC, the receiver itself doesn’t show much handling. I’d thought you would have slight wear on the CCH finish.
I don’t like the forearm / barrel fitt. I would expect for such a high condition throughout that the top edge of the forearm to be nice a square with the barrel. But the light marking of the barrel address doesn’t bother me though as it appears common. I’d be more concerned if it wasn’t light in the area.
This is the kind of forearm to barrel fit I’d like to see. I’m also surprised it being in 50 Express caliber that it doesn’t have a Express rear site.
I’m on the fence with at a score of 5. I’m hopeful that’s its real but can see reasons for some doubts.
My two cents, for what its worth.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Others summed it up nicely, but I am fairly confident this is a quality restoration. Factor of 6.
The fit of some components, especially the forearm, is troublesome. As Maverick already suggested. Also, the bluing hue isn’t quite right, but that could be the photographs.
Can you provide enlarged photographs of the contact area of the saddle ring with the receiver? I would expect at least ever so slight wear.
What’s the price tag on it? I wouldn’t pay anymore than for a quality restoration firearm.
The same concerns WILL be raised at the time of next sale.
I think I read earlier in the thread that the asking price was $10K? For me, that’s a very strong indication that it isn’t all original.
steve004 said
I think I read earlier in the thread that the asking price was $10K? For me, that’s a very strong indication that it isn’t all original.
Agreed!
Maverick said
Kirk,I don’t like the forearm / barrel fitt. I would expect for such a high condition throughout that the top edge of the forearm to be nice a square with the barrel. But the light marking of the barrel address doesn’t bother me though as it appears common. I’d be more concerned if it wasn’t light in the area.
steve004 said
I think I read earlier in the thread that the asking price was $10K? For me, that’s a very strong indication that it isn’t all original.
TR said
Where are the chatter marks on the screw heads? T/R
Three strikes and your out in baseball! T/R
My focus has never been refinished or restored guns so my opinion on value is more speculative. I can’t recall if it was mentioned what the factory ledger says about this carbine? I note it was made in 1893 and should be in a letterable range. If it letters as a .50 Express carbine, that would be very significant. So, if the configuration is as originally shipped, and given the high quality of the restoration, my two cents is ten grand is a favorable price. I wouldn’t be surprised that a big auction house would sell if for much more.
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