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Who would you suggest to do a re-case color job on an early set trigger 86 and match original coloring and produce the very least amount of warpage…..Thank you all……
Warpage is a result of not taking the right precautions. The last person that did real looking case colors was Rogers Restorations but he is out of it now.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Didn’t know that but who ever did it, it looked good.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Mike, we’ve known each other long enough for you to know that I DID do all my own case color work. From all the prep. work to the furnace and ageing afterward. We’ve had several discussions on the phone about it. There were several items about it that we did not agree. When I first started my restoration work I sent some of it off to Turnbull, but I knew that I wanted to handle it in house to get the results I wanted, so I learned what was involved and perfected my own methods.
By the way,… How are you? I’m fine. Just bored. I miss not doing the work anymore.
Roger
WHIW: here’s and example of Rogers Restorations work. It certainly doesn’t have the exaggerated look of the Turnbull receivers I’ve seen. Wish they were still in the business.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
November 7, 2015
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Wow, very nice work.
Wincacher said
It certainly doesn’t have the exaggerated look of the Turnbull receivers I’ve seen.
I agree with that statement. I’ve always hesitated to criticize Turnbull’s work because so many people (who are way more experienced than I am) seem to venerate him. I just thought I must not know what I’m talking about or, perhaps, Winchester’s original work also looked exaggerated or cartoonish like Turnbull’s, when leaving the factory, and only began to look more reserved and “classic” after 100 years.
Because I don’t know the truth, I will just chock it up to “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and say that the example you provide of Roger’s Restorations work is more to my liking. By orders of magnitude.
Roger, my friend…I stand corrected and embarrassed.
Mike
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Good points, Huck. I certainly don’t know what a new Winchester looked like 120 years ago. I DO know that I like Turnbull’s work and after seeing a bit of it I like Roger’s work too. To be quite honest restorations as a rule aren’t my cup of tea but that doesn’t keep me from enjoying the view!
TXGunNut said
To be quite honest restorations as a rule aren’t my cup of tea but that doesn’t keep me from enjoying the view!
I agree with that too! Of course, you are talking to a guy who likes wood so full of sweat and oil that it looks near black, and the dark, dark patina of years of use on the western frontier. I recognize and respect the monetary value of a nice finish, and they are pretty to look at, but my personal aesthetic runs the other way. Same with saddle leather and tack. It goes beyond the notion of history and use. I really just like the look in it’s own right. Dark, not light; flat, not shiny.
I like that others don’t agree and that prices are higher for the “nice” stuff. I just wish more people hated what I like. 
TXGunNut said
Good points, Huck. I certainly don’t know what a new Winchester looked like 120 years ago. I DO know that I like Turnbull’s work and after seeing a bit of it I like Roger’s work too. To be quite honest restorations as a rule aren’t my cup of tea but that doesn’t keep me from enjoying the view!
The best un-adulterated example I have seen of original factory 100+years old color case hardening is Teddy’s Model 86.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/teddy-roosevelt/
Those are some pretty colors!
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I don’t believe it’s “exaggeration” or “vividness” of color that sets Turnbull’s CCH slightly apart from original Winchester’s as it is different shades or hue of colors as I’ve seen 120+ year old Winchesters that appear almost new where CCH is extremely vivid similar to the Teddy Roosevelt 1886 example Maverick shared.
I believe Roger’s process more mimics a slightly aged CCH that we are more accustomed to seeing on older Winchesters that have been well cared for as opposed to “new” looking Winchester CCH finish that Turnbull’s process tries to more simulate.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
It is my opinion that a brand-new Winchester case colored hardend finish was slightly different ( better ) than Turnbull’s. I do believe that Rogers work looks a little bit more frosty compared to an aged Winchester case color gun.
Regardless of any of any of our preferences, whether Rogers o Turnbull’s, they are all altered and non-original examples and have lost their “collectible” value, despite an exorbitant amount of $$$ poured into them.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Wincacher said
Regardless of any of any of our preferences, whether Rogers o Turnbull’s, they are all altered and non-original examples and have lost their “collectible” value, despite an exorbitant amount of $$$ poured into them.
I believe most of us will agree on that point.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
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Wincacher said
Regardless of any of any of our preferences, whether Rogers o Turnbull’s, they are all altered and non-original examples and have lost their “collectible” value, despite an exorbitant amount of $$$ poured into them.
I agree, but I’ve seen a few abused guns that I think are good candidates for restoration. I’ll probably never do that because after investing that kind of cash for a beautiful restoration I’d never be able to take it hunting, maybe not even to the range. I do have a hard-used and poorly refinished 1894 that would be a good candidate for restoration but I’d rather have a 110 year old gun that I can (and do!) take hunting.
The best un-adulterated example I have seen of original factory 100+years old color case hardening is Teddy’s Model 86.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/teddy-roosevelt/
Those are some pretty colors!
Sincerely,
Maverick
That is Winchester’s Deluxe CCH so it must be different than their regular CCH, right?
Vince
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Teddy Roosevelt
Maverick said
TXGunNut said
Good points, Huck. I certainly don’t know what a new Winchester looked like 120 years ago. I DO know that I like Turnbull’s work and after seeing a bit of it I like Roger’s work too. To be quite honest restorations as a rule aren’t my cup of tea but that doesn’t keep me from enjoying the view!The best un-adulterated example I have seen of original factory 100+years old color case hardening is Teddy’s Model 86.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/teddy-roosevelt/
Those are some pretty colors!
Sincerely,
Maverick
I couldn’t locate the photo of the Roosevelt rifle. I’d like to see it.
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