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Model 1886 ELW, antique, .45-70 very special rifle
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February 18, 2024 - 11:53 pm
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Anyone around here land this one yesterday?  I was sure drooling. What an amazing rifle!  I loved seeing Tommy Rholes letter.  I can’t find the winning bid price but my speculation was it would sell over the high estimate:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1045/2030/winchester-deluxe-model-1886-extra-lightweight-short-rifle

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February 19, 2024 - 12:54 am
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While the rifle has some nice features I can’t get past the fact that the wood looks like it was put on the gun yesterday while the receiver tells a different story.

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February 19, 2024 - 2:40 am
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Nice looking 86! A bit rich for me, I have to settle for the standard ELW I posted a few weeks ago

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While the rifle has some nice features I can’t get past the fact that the wood looks like it was put on the gun yesterday while the receiver tells a different story.

Michael

  

That is an interesting discrepancy…could it be case hardening wearing off in an uneven way? It’s scratched too though….

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Jeremy P said

twobit said

While the rifle has some nice features I can’t get past the fact that the wood looks like it was put on the gun yesterday while the receiver tells a different story.

Michael

  

That is an interesting discrepancy…could it be case hardening wearing off in an uneven way? It’s scratched too though….

  

That receiver is blued, not case colour hardened. 

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February 19, 2024 - 11:54 am
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Winchester never offered a case colored takedown receiver

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antler1 said
Winchester never offered a case colored takedown receiver

  

Good to know!

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twobit said
While the rifle has some nice features I can’t get past the fact that the wood looks like it was put on the gun yesterday while the receiver tells a different story.

Michael

  

Michael – interesting to ponder.  This comment is helpful to me as it helps assuage my remorse for not pursuing the rifle.  I think we can be fairly confident the wood was put on yesterday given Tommy Rholes and George Madis examined and described the rifle about 30 years ago.  However, what happened between 1899 and 1995 is an open question.  For a, “one of a kind” rifle with the wood being the feature that places it in that class, the lack of factory documentation is hard to ignore.  I would speculate it is Winchester wood and checkering, but whether it left the factory with those stocks is an open question.  They could have been added later in an R&R, they could have come off a different rifle…  you can’t prove or disprove anything when faced with a, “no letter” rifle.

My personal conclusion is the rifle is all correct.  George did disassemble the rifle and his recording of all the internal markings on the barrel, receiver tangs, stocks and buttplate were helpful and added up nicely.  Of particular interest is the hand checkered buttplate – how often do we see that?  CJ – you have an ELW from that same era – what are the details of that rifle’s buttplate?  

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   The checkering is fresh enough to easily see the grain of the wood under it. Hopefully just re-cut. I’m pretty sure anything Tommy Rholes said was true at the time he wrote the letter. T/R

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Personally, I’m not a fan of Rock Island, they always seem to have a “0ne of a kind” something, even when the questionable status of the object has been discussed and apparently dismissed by them.

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With no winning bid posted I wonder if it was sold. Quite possibly did not meet reserve. Very interesting, likely we’ll see it again. 

 

 

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Here you go.IMG_0611.jpegImage Enlarger

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The only thing I find odd is that in 1995 it was appraised at $12,500.00.

What happen in the last near 30 years to only be appraised on the high end at $9,000.00?

If it was worth $12,500.00 in 1995 and kept up with inflation it should be worth $25,000.00.

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I had speculated it would sell for about double the high end of the reserve.  That was partially based on the past appraisal.  I suppose the wood has been redone (e.g. recut checkering) to some extant.  There are some near magical craftsmen out there.

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It hammered at 17,000 onsite bid, so it was 19,500, out of my range

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A lot of auctions (not all) are not the place to go to see something believable! More like unbelievable… 

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It hammered at 17,000 onsite bid, so it was 19,500, out of my range

  

Are you including sales tax in that? Wink

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steve004 said

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It hammered at 17,000 onsite bid, so it was 19,500, out of my range

  

Are you including sales tax in that? Wink

  

No, that’s 17.5 prem, credit card 3.5%, 6.25 Texas sales tax

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February 19, 2024 - 11:37 pm
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Plus shipping if you’re not local….any auction bid online should have 30% added in your head as a safe estimate….that $750 bid suddenly becomes a little over 1000!

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Jeremy P said

antler1 said

Winchester never offered a case colored takedown receiver

  

Good to know!

  

This is absolutely not true. I have documented several. In fact there were 8 case colored 1886 takedown guns produced.   

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