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Does anyone have knowledge of the Model 94’s from San Francisco PD, no saddle ring, marked S.F.P.D. on top of barrel behind rear sight? I’m looking at SN 1074628.
How many of these are around? Any idea what they should go for in 90-95% condition?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
According to the information I have, there were (80) of them traded from the SFPD to the Davis Company (Berkeley, CA) in November of 1983. The Davis Company then sold them all of to dealers/collectors. The serial number you mention is one of ( 18 ) that I am aware of. I have no idea what they are worth (how much of a premium over a standard M94 Carbine).
Bert
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tionesta:
Rock Island Auction Co. supposedly sold one a couple of auctions back for $4,500. I have owned 4 of them and sold the lesser conditioned ones for $2,500 each. I currently have 2 remaining that are both 98%-99%. One of them has original paperwork certifying that it was sold by the S.F.P.D. I value them both at $4,000 – $4,500 each.
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Learn something everyday! My father has a 1898 Colt Lightning Rifle marked SFPD in near mint condition.
I had no idea (never thought about it much) SFPD had ordered Winchesters also. The Colt Rifles are usually at a much higher premium than the standard medium framed Rifle. But they had they were numbered in there own serial range.
Majority of the SFPD guns Ive come across are usually always in High Condition. I imagine they sat around in the armory collecting dust for many years before being sold to the general public and saw little use.
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Maverick
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Bert, Rick:
Thank you both for your replies. I learn something new everyday. The 94 I’m looking at is being sold by Merz.
http://merzantiques.com/item/san-francisco-police-department-marked-winchester-model-1894-eastern-c
Your help is much appreciated.
Al
Based on the condition of the Merz gun. I don’t believe the SFPD marking added much value to the gun. 🙄 I think that is a fair price for 94 carbine in that condition.
tionesta:
Check the serial number. To be one of the 80 that the S.F.P.D. bought, it needs to be in the 1070xxx – 1080xxx serial number range. There are a couple of these floating around that apparently were confiscated guns that the S.F.P.D. commandeered and put into inventory. They have significantly less value.
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Rick,
Al mentioned in his opening post that it is serial number 1074628. I already had it in the survey.
Bert
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Here you go:
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Rick,
Thanks for the "heads up" very interesting, but as Bert stated I listed the serial number "1074628" in my opening post, and it’s in his survey. Is $2,450 a fair price? I have not yet made an offer.
Al
I got it now. Yes, I think it is a good & legit carbine at a reasonable price.
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That seems like a very good price. I think Merz usually prices regular 94 carbines without the SFPD marking in that condition at least that high.
Bert H. said
Al,
According to the information I have, there were (80) of them traded from the SFPD to the Davis Company (Berkeley, CA) in November of 1983. The Davis Company then sold them all of to dealers/collectors. The serial number you mention is one of ( 18 ) that I am aware of. I have no idea what they are worth (how much of a premium over a standard M94 Carbine).
Bert
Hi Bert,
I recently purchased the attached S.F.P.D. marked 94 carbine. Do you have this one in your survey?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=542953226
Don,
Yes, I do have it in rhw survey… very nice Model 94!
Bert
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Thanks Bert. Other than a few handling marks, it’s in darn near new condition– it’s just missing the “original” box, instructions, and hang-tag, so I figure I got it for half-price 
. Have you documented anymore than the 18 you previously mentioned?
Yes I have, the total is now (21) of the (80).
Bert
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I remember when those were sold. They came from SFPD to Davis Company in Sacramento. They were lined up against the wall, $100 each, your choice. Saddle ring carbines, pre-64s, and post 64s. They were crudely marked S.F.P.D on the top of the barrel. If you did not know they were authentic you would think the markings were fraudulent. I bought six of them. They also sold Remington Model 11 riot guns obtained from SFPD. The guns were used by Civil Defense during WW2 to guard the beaches.
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Bert H. said
Al,
According to the information I have, there were (80) of them traded from the SFPD to the Davis Company (Berkeley, CA) in November of 1983. The Davis Company then sold them all of to dealers/collectors. The serial number you mention is one of ( 18 ) that I am aware of. I have no idea what they are worth (how much of a premium over a standard M94 Carbine).
Bert
Hi Bert,
I recently purchased the attached S.F.P.D. marked 94 carbine. Do you have this one in your survey?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=542953226
DeerHunter,
Very nice carbine. I saw that one on GB when it was for sale.
Al
Thanks Al. I had to put up a fight for it in the end and paid a little more than I hoped, but where am I going to find another and in that condition? However when I contacted the seller after the auction, he was actually a bit dissappointed that it didn’t go for more, since he had nearly $5,200.00 (with buyer’s premium) into it when he bought it over a year ago from Amoskeag Auctions.
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