Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Contemplating Model 1895 Purchase
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 334
Member Since:
January 7, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
November 12, 2023 - 11:11 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Pic here: Model 1895, 38-72 circa 1904, #46077

38-72 brass is nearly unobtanium, I’ll have to get dies, and I don’t have a mold to cast (yet), so that all goes against me…  Asking is $1850 – a little high IMO, but the honest 1895s seem to sell, regardless. I countered with 1500 but am soliciting feedback since I’ve only bought one 1895 and, admittedly, overpaid for it. Bore is described as “good”. Whaddya think?  Ron

 

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

WACA #10293

Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5913
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
November 12, 2023 - 11:45 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I feel your pain, Ron. I think I have to shoot everything I own. I do have a few .38 rifle moulds for the 38-55’s that hang out here but dies and brass could be an adventure. Looks to be an honest, solid gun but my mentors encourage me to hold out for guns with somewhat more finish. Quite honestly, tho, I’d be an excited buyer at your counter offer price. 

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Avatar
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
November 13, 2023 - 1:43 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

I’d hold out for one in a better caliber, unless you have a higher tolerance for the aggravation of searching for brass & components than I do.   If the finish was merely worn bare, I wouldn’t object to it, but the pitting on the brl would stick in my craw.  Same gun in .30-40 or ’06, I could look past the pitting.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 334
Member Since:
January 7, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
November 13, 2023 - 10:08 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Thanks for the input guys. I haven’t heard back on my offer and I’m not intending to pursue it further because of the caliber and components.  I did find some brass at $4.00 each….

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

WACA #10293

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5332
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
November 13, 2023 - 8:28 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I agree with Clarence.  There is no easy way to make this brass.  Original brass will probably crack.  I’d find one with more finish and an easier to find or make caliber.  Bertram did make some brass but I do not know if Jamison did?

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 334
Member Since:
January 7, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
November 13, 2023 - 10:24 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
I agree with Clarence.  There is no easy way to make this brass.  Original brass will probably crack.  I’d find one with more finish and an easier to find or make caliber.  Bertram did make some brass but I do not know if Jamison did?

  

Both made brass.  Bertram USA still has it in stock; $345 for 100, +ship and tax…  

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

WACA #10293

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4868
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
November 13, 2023 - 11:13 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I’m waiting for Brooksy to weigh in on the bore.  “Good” doesn’t sound all that good to me.  The condition is such that it is far from a collector piece.  And if the bore isn’t favorable – what do you have?

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1811
Member Since:
May 23, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
November 13, 2023 - 11:18 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Well I’d also add that some people’s “Good” is different from mine. For instance, one barrel is good to excellent but the last inch or so of the Rifling is damaged to the point of causing the shots to go all over the place. Then I’ve seen barrels pitted terribly at the chamber that shoot a 2 Inch group at 100 yards. So go figure.

But shooting them and collecting them are two different animals for sure.

Sincerely,

Maverick

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4868
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5913
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
November 14, 2023 - 12:31 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

steve004 said
Here’s some past discussion we’ve had on the topic of shooting the .38-72:

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shooting-and-hunting/shooting-the-38-72-wcf/

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/more-38-72-wcf-research/

  

Stop it, Steve! Those threads are why I’m more than a little curious about the 38-72. This rifle would be an interesting project if the bore was good enough to stabilize a lead bullet. Question is, do you want a project or a collectible Winchester? Come to think of it I have a very attractive 1895 in 30US (thanks, Mark!) that’s begging for some range time. Thanks to the admirable efforts of a couple of our esteemed members an honest 1895 in high condition is a bit pricey these days and somewhat harder to find. Happy hunting, Ron. I think a better gun will come along for you if you’ll wait and watch.

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 221
Member Since:
January 28, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
November 14, 2023 - 1:13 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 334
Member Since:
January 7, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
November 14, 2023 - 1:34 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

mark minnillo said
If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

  

I have one in 30US. (edit) 30 Army  Tried making rounds out of blank brass but that experiment failed…. 

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

WACA #10293

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 221
Member Since:
January 28, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13
November 14, 2023 - 1:54 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

rwsem said

mark minnillo said

If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

  

I have one in 30US.  Tried making rounds out of blank brass but that experiment failed…. 

  

30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!!

Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2478
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14
November 14, 2023 - 2:09 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I managed to pick up a nice flat-side 1895 in 38-72 a few months ago at the Oregon Arms Collectors show.  I also found an original Winchester factory cartridge guide tool at the same show.  However, since I’m not a reloader, chances are slim that I’ll ever be able to shoot it…Frown

Don

P1080614.JPGImage EnlargerP1080620.JPGImage EnlargerP1080624.JPGImage EnlargerP1080628.JPGImage EnlargerP1080632.JPGImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
Avatar
Great Basin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 516
Member Since:
November 27, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
15
November 14, 2023 - 2:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Buffalo Arms carries Bertram brass for 38-72 and they sometimes make runs of loaded 38-72 ammunition, although it’s currently out of stock.  Mark

Avatar
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
16
November 14, 2023 - 2:42 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

mark minnillo said 30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!

Make him a deal he can’t refuse:  a slip-on recoil pad!

Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2478
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
17
November 14, 2023 - 2:42 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark Douglas said
Buffalo Arms carries Bertram brass for 38-72 and they sometimes make runs of loaded 38-72 ammunition, although it’s currently out of stock.  Mark

  

That is good to know–thanks Mark.  I’ll keep checking back with them.  Would love to pick up a box or two of loaded ammunition.

Don

Avatar
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
18
November 14, 2023 - 2:46 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

deerhunter said However, since I’m not a reloader, chances are slim that I’ll ever be able to shoot it…Frown

TOO nice to shoot!

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 221
Member Since:
January 28, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
19
November 14, 2023 - 3:50 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

clarence said

mark minnillo said 30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!

Make him a deal he can’t refuse:  a slip-on recoil pad!

  

Nah cast 150s work great with little recoil!

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 381
Member Since:
November 9, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
20
November 14, 2023 - 3:59 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

I have a a 38-72, not as nice as Dearhunter’s but has a very nice bore, and I found these County Line cartridges at auction at a good price. They shoot well 

IMG_3788.jpegImage EnlargerIMG_3793.jpegImage EnlargerIMG_3795.jpegImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 5913
Chuck: 5332
steve004: 4868
1873man: 4567
Big Larry: 2472
twobit: 2412
mrcvs: 2051
TR: 1838
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14032
Posts: 124168

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1968
Members: 9578
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation