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November 12, 2023 - 11:11 pm
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Pic here: Model 1895, 38-72 circa 1904, #46077

38-72 brass is nearly unobtanium, I’ll have to get dies, and I don’t have a mold to cast (yet), so that all goes against me…  Asking is $1850 – a little high IMO, but the honest 1895s seem to sell, regardless. I countered with 1500 but am soliciting feedback since I’ve only bought one 1895 and, admittedly, overpaid for it. Bore is described as “good”. Whaddya think?  Ron

 

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I feel your pain, Ron. I think I have to shoot everything I own. I do have a few .38 rifle moulds for the 38-55’s that hang out here but dies and brass could be an adventure. Looks to be an honest, solid gun but my mentors encourage me to hold out for guns with somewhat more finish. Quite honestly, tho, I’d be an excited buyer at your counter offer price. 

 

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I’d hold out for one in a better caliber, unless you have a higher tolerance for the aggravation of searching for brass & components than I do.   If the finish was merely worn bare, I wouldn’t object to it, but the pitting on the brl would stick in my craw.  Same gun in .30-40 or ’06, I could look past the pitting.

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Thanks for the input guys. I haven’t heard back on my offer and I’m not intending to pursue it further because of the caliber and components.  I did find some brass at $4.00 each….

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I agree with Clarence.  There is no easy way to make this brass.  Original brass will probably crack.  I’d find one with more finish and an easier to find or make caliber.  Bertram did make some brass but I do not know if Jamison did?

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Chuck said
I agree with Clarence.  There is no easy way to make this brass.  Original brass will probably crack.  I’d find one with more finish and an easier to find or make caliber.  Bertram did make some brass but I do not know if Jamison did?

  

Both made brass.  Bertram USA still has it in stock; $345 for 100, +ship and tax…  

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I’m waiting for Brooksy to weigh in on the bore.  “Good” doesn’t sound all that good to me.  The condition is such that it is far from a collector piece.  And if the bore isn’t favorable – what do you have?

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Well I’d also add that some people’s “Good” is different from mine. For instance, one barrel is good to excellent but the last inch or so of the Rifling is damaged to the point of causing the shots to go all over the place. Then I’ve seen barrels pitted terribly at the chamber that shoot a 2 Inch group at 100 yards. So go figure.

But shooting them and collecting them are two different animals for sure.

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steve004 said
Here’s some past discussion we’ve had on the topic of shooting the .38-72:

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shooting-and-hunting/shooting-the-38-72-wcf/

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/more-38-72-wcf-research/

  

Stop it, Steve! Those threads are why I’m more than a little curious about the 38-72. This rifle would be an interesting project if the bore was good enough to stabilize a lead bullet. Question is, do you want a project or a collectible Winchester? Come to think of it I have a very attractive 1895 in 30US (thanks, Mark!) that’s begging for some range time. Thanks to the admirable efforts of a couple of our esteemed members an honest 1895 in high condition is a bit pricey these days and somewhat harder to find. Happy hunting, Ron. I think a better gun will come along for you if you’ll wait and watch.

 

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If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

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mark minnillo said
If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

  

I have one in 30US. (edit) 30 Army  Tried making rounds out of blank brass but that experiment failed…. 

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rwsem said

mark minnillo said

If you are not stuck on the caliber i have a nice 95 td in 30govt06 to part with. No pitting!

  

I have one in 30US.  Tried making rounds out of blank brass but that experiment failed…. 

  

30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!!

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I managed to pick up a nice flat-side 1895 in 38-72 a few months ago at the Oregon Arms Collectors show.  I also found an original Winchester factory cartridge guide tool at the same show.  However, since I’m not a reloader, chances are slim that I’ll ever be able to shoot it…Frown

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Buffalo Arms carries Bertram brass for 38-72 and they sometimes make runs of loaded 38-72 ammunition, although it’s currently out of stock.  Mark

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mark minnillo said 30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!

Make him a deal he can’t refuse:  a slip-on recoil pad!

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Mark Douglas said
Buffalo Arms carries Bertram brass for 38-72 and they sometimes make runs of loaded 38-72 ammunition, although it’s currently out of stock.  Mark

  

That is good to know–thanks Mark.  I’ll keep checking back with them.  Would love to pick up a box or two of loaded ammunition.

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deerhunter said However, since I’m not a reloader, chances are slim that I’ll ever be able to shoot it…Frown

TOO nice to shoot!

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clarence said

mark minnillo said 30.06 brass plenty available!!  I’ll throw in a whole bunch of brass!

Make him a deal he can’t refuse:  a slip-on recoil pad!

  

Nah cast 150s work great with little recoil!

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I have a a 38-72, not as nice as Dearhunter’s but has a very nice bore, and I found these County Line cartridges at auction at a good price. They shoot well 

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