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What is the total production of the number of the Model 1894 with the 94/95 Hybrid barrels?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I don’t think any one knows the answer to that question, nor how many of each of the 3 variants of the 94/95’s there are. There is a good article in the “Collector” on them. I think in the Spring 2009 issue.
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Henry Mero said
I don’t think any one knows the answer to that question, nor how many of each of the 3 variants of the 94/95’s there are.
If that is the case, I found a very important scrap piece of paper the other day and I’ll have to locate it again.
Was hoping Bert or Rick Hill might chime in, as I know they were doing research at one point in time.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Well… I can quite definitely and authoritatively respond to your question. No doubt whatsoever, at least one rifle of one type. Mine, below! Expressing something more specific… Think I’ve been sheltering with the wife too long…. Beyond,”can’t recall which ‘thinge’ style goes with which model ‘doodad’. 🙂 Just the net; no ‘extra’ barrel holes or dovetails. Front ramp w/dovetail sight.
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Trying to be a bit more serious, seems to me numbers not even well enough defined for much of realistic extrapolation… That to my understanding and sounding reasonable. Lucky enough with sufficient numbers to clearly discern a basic several “observed” styles. I’d speculate the same Winchester management outlook, motives and visible results, might well have produced other quite limited variations. Once ‘into such mode’, to stop under premise of needing “X” numbers to put them together and onto the market? Why? My personal belated thanks to the Winchester souls sufficiently creative to bring these interesting models to us.
Well, late now and to defer rather than get ‘squirrely’!
Thanks for the question!
Best to all & stay safe!
John.
There are actually 4 variations of the Model 94/95 hybrid. We (Bert and I) have cataloged 69 examples so far, all of which were assembled in 1928. No idea as to what the total number were as they were a factory parts clean-up as Winchester headed into bankruptcy in 1929.
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Thanks Rick for the clarification, and what is the 4th variant I am unaware of?
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Maverick said
What is the total production of the number of the Model 1894 with the 94/95 Hybrid barrels?Sincerely,
Maverick
Based on the current survey results, approximately 2,900 were assembled, all in the year 1928.
| Variation | Bbl | Front St | Qty | % | Est Qty |
| Type-1 | 20″ | Dovetail | 33 | 47.83% | 1,390 |
| Type-2 | 20″ | Pinned | 18 | 26.09% | 758 |
| Type-3 | 22″ | Dovetail | 4 | 5.80% | 169 |
| Type-4 | 22″ | Pinned | 14 | 20.29% | 590 |
| Total | 69 | 100% | 2,907 |
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Henry:
I have attached the write-up that we did for the “Winchester Model 1895” book the Rob and Brad wrote. Together with Bert’s table that should hopefully answer your question.
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Oh oh. For some reason the attachment didn’t post. I tried twice with same results – sorry.
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Rick Hill said
Oh oh. For some reason the attachment didn’t post. I tried twice with same results – sorry.
Forum does not like cut and pastes that look like they came from a printed source. You have to retype the entry.
Rick Hill said
Henry:I have attached the write-up that we did for the “Winchester Model 1895” book the Rob and Brad wrote. Together with Bert’s table that should hopefully answer your question.
Rick,
Do you know what page or chapter this is in Rob & Brad’s book?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Well gentlemen I came across a scrap piece of paper you’d be very much interested. It appears certainly to be a piece of the puzzle, and not possibly not the whole exact picture. But an important piece nonetheless.
Noted as a “Scrap of paper with figures”. It notes the following:
203 =22″
349=20″ Plug SCR
751=20″ Model ’94
1303 Total Assembled
October 1928
using altered barrels from “95 30Gov. ’06
See Bellemore about barrels?
20 in + 22″ – St. Cuts etc.
So it appears without a doubt Winchester made 1,303 94/95 Hybrid Barreled guns. I find it interesting that the figures are tallied the way they are. Maybe this is only noting 3 of the 4 variations. Anyway lots of possibilities, and definitely a call the McCraken library maybe in order. As no doubt the technician scanning this scrap piece of paper with the others in the lot, has no idea the significance of the piece of paper.
Here is the link to the scanned piece on the Cody website. http://library.centerofthewest.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17097coll30/id/4110/rec/1
Best of Luck with where this little tid bit will lead.
Sincerely,
(Maverick)
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Brady,
Thank you very much! That is indeed a very fascinating scrap of paper, and it may well be the ultimate answer that Winchester collectors have been seeking!
Bert
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I see the notation “See Bellmore”. Dan Shuey has a lot of Bellmore documents. Maybe he has something of interest in his files?
Chuck said
I see the notation “See Bellmore”. Dan Shuey has a lot of Bellmore documents. Maybe he has something of interest in his files?
It could be that Winchester did some ballistic testing for the 30 WCF cartridge in the 30-06 barrels before making the decision to use them for the Model 94 Carbine.
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Brady:
Really a great find! I believe that the reference to “plug SRC” probably identifies Model 94 receivers that had been drilled for sling rings but ended up with special screws that filled the holes when the factory ended installing sling rings also in 1928. This was a most interesting year in Winchester’s history as the company was pulling out all stops to move merchandise to prevent bankruptcy which happened anyway in 1929.
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Rick,
I would agree it is a possibility but the note is actually “plug SCR“. At least I think the last letter is a R. Which I took to be short hand for “plug SCREW Hole”. Which in my mind would make more sense to be a specific note regarding the barrels, as everything else about this note in my opinion refers to the barrels.
Sincerely,
Brady
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