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1894 Receiver ??
June 11, 2021
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I have an 1894 to in 32ws in the 258k range. The right side of  receiver does not have a finger lever pin hole to remove the pin. The gun has a broken firing pin so I need to remove the bolt. Thoughts?20210611_095934.jpgImage Enlarger

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Mark,

I can see the outlines of the hole… it appears that someone put a filler plug in the hole.  I suggest using a 5X – 10X loup and inspecting the receiver more closely.  Locate the plug and carefully drill it out.

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June 11, 2021
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If you can see a hole you got incredible vision.20210611_104038.jpgImage Enlarger

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mark minnillo said
If you can see a hole you got incredible vision.20210611_104038.jpgImage Enlarger  

I can indeed see the outlines of the hole right where it should be.

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June 11, 2021
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The sad thing here is why was the hole plugged?  Did someone erroneously think it was an, “extra” hole and this was a misguided restoration effort?

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The sad thing here is why was the hole plugged?  Did someone erroneously think it was an, “extra” hole and this was a misguided restoration effort?  

More than likely… people do a lot of stupid things based on pure ignorance.

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Bert you seem to have some knowledge of these guns but I can assure you the hole has not been filled. There is absolutely no sign, mark, roughness, etc. on the gun that there was ever a hole in the receiver.20210611_162939.jpgImage Enlarger Just wondered if anyone has seen this before.

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Bert H. said

More than likely… people do a lot of stupid things based on pure ignorance.  

Geez Bert, have you lost all faith in your fellow man? I could actually hear the Angry Santa voice when I read this. Thanks for the unexpected chuckle. Smile

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Here’s a pic of the inside. No sign of a hole.20210611_164854.jpgImage Enlarger

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Just a thought.  Using a small powerful magnet perhaps you could draw out the pin.  You may have to jiggle the lever to get it to come out.  I have used small cylindrical magnets to remove and even start small short screws and plugs.  Might be worth a try.  RDB

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Mark,

Over the past many years (I began my research survey in early 2005), I have examined more than 25,000 Model 1894/94 receivers (including the Model 55 & Model 64 receivers), and thus far, every single one of them has the hole machined in the receiver… 100%.  Your Model 1894 receiver was not an exception.  If it truly had not been machined properly when it was originally manufactured, it would have been rejected by Winchester’s core of inspectors.  How do you suppose they installed the pin without the benefit of the access hole?

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Geez Bert, have you lost all faith in your fellow man? I could actually hear the Angry Santa voice when I read this. Thanks for the unexpected chuckle. Smile  

It is not “angry” Santa… it is Evil Santa!! 

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Bert,

As I mentioned you seem quite knowledgable about 94s however, your last comment has me baffled. “How would they have put the pin in without the access hole”? The pin doesn’t need the access hole on the right side of the receiver to be inserted. It goes in through the plug screw hole on the left side of the receiver. 

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My imagination sees the same as what Bert sees…right where it is supposed to be.

 

Mark, are you certain you are not just a little early for the next April Fools Day?

June 12, 2021
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Bert H. said
Mark,

 How do you suppose they installed the pin without the benefit of the access hole?  

You dont need the access hole on the right side to install the pin, only to remove during disassembly. 

Dont think the rifle has been refinished by what Im seeing in the pics. 

Im not seeing any access hole in the photos, or thru the inside of the receiver above the right cartridge guide. 

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You might try using a soft mallet on the left side of the receiver and use inertia to back that pin out as an alternative.  Worth a try.

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June 12, 2021
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Mark,

The bolt doenst have to come out to replace the firing pin.  Just drift the pin in the bolt closet to the hammer (bottom side of the bolt guide rail), you may have to use a paper clip or something a little stronger (L shaped) to be able to push on the end of the firing pin end towards the back of the bolt to get it to come out, most are stuck with grease and grime. 

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Chris,

Thank you for your thoughts. I took the pin out and the firing pin moves freely in the bolt. The tip is broken. I tried a punch through the firing pin hole but the pin does not come out. Been a while since I have taken one of my 94s apart but plan on doing that to refresh my memory what’s going on inside. I recall the lever prevents the pin from coming out. Hope you are correct.

Mark

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Chris,

Here is the bolt from a different 94 takedown. You can see how the pin holds the firing pin (curved part behind the pin) in the bolt.

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Must admit I had to look at an 1894 to see where the hole in this rifle was but once I did it is barely visible even on my lowly iPad. Very impressive work filling that hole. 

Good luck with that stubborn firing pin, Mark. Last one I did required bolt removal but I’m not sure why. Could have been 120+ years of grease and grit.

 

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mark your right. the lever pin has to come out to remove the firing pin.  

I still can’t see the remnants of a plug in that hole. Maybe need some stronger glasses or higher horsepower monitor 

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