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1886 in 40-70
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February 19, 2022 - 2:42 pm

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Greetings to all, I’m a new WACA member and trying this forum stuff out so hope it works. I have in my collection of 1886 Winchesters one chambered in 40-70 wcf. i know very very few where chambered in this caliber, my question is how many? I have gone thru all my books but numbers seem all over the map,. Lowest puts the number at 629 highest is 840. Anyone want to enlighten me? 

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February 19, 2022 - 6:47 pm

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Tom Hardy said
Greetings to all, I’m a new WACA member and trying this forum stuff out so hope it works. I have in my collection of 1886 Winchesters one chambered in 40-70 wcf. i know very very few where chambered in this caliber, my question is how many? I have gone thru all my books but numbers seem all over the map,. Lowest puts the number at 629 highest is 840. Anyone want to enlighten me?   

Tom – rare caliber for sure. I saw the 629 number in the Pirkle book. In the Summer 2018 edition of the Collector, there is a John Madl article on Model 1886 carbine research – he indicates a survey of all available 1886 records indicates 29 carbines in 40-70. You might want to do some research of the old Collector magazines and see if you can find anything more – they are available under “publications” and you can do a search – you must be logged-in to have access to the magazines. It is a nice feature for WACA members.

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February 19, 2022 - 7:07 pm

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I’m seeing 862 in John Madls book. 

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February 19, 2022 - 9:04 pm

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Yes i see similar numbers. I will certainly try and research the COLLECTOR, one reason i joined this esteemed group of folks. Funny thing is I also have a 1894 loading tool and bullet mold for paper patched bullets for it also. Doesn’t make it worth more just more interesting. 

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February 19, 2022 - 10:56 pm
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Tom–would like to see pictures of your gun. I have 3 in 40-70, 2 are takedown. 862 is correct.  I collect OBCB rifles, they are my favorite style–BillKiss

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February 19, 2022 - 11:52 pm

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 Tom,

 I’m sure you are aware 40-70 does not always mean WCF 40-70. Sharps, Ballard, Winchester single shot, and Remington used 40-70 of various shapes, some with paper patch bullets. T/R

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February 20, 2022 - 12:25 am

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Bill I will do my darndest to get some for you to see. She ain’t perfect but I like anything named 1886!lmao

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February 20, 2022 - 12:28 am

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TR, you are so correct. Im only assuming, and you know what that gets you, that due to the provenance of my mold its for a Winchester. 

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February 20, 2022 - 12:21 pm

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TR, just went to check on the mold I have and it is a Winchester manufactured mold. It will drop a 265 gr. flat nose bullet.

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February 20, 2022 - 1:08 pm

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Tom – have you fired the rifle?  Developed loads for it?

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February 20, 2022 - 1:24 pm

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Winchester made tools for non Winchesters, the 1885 single shot, and the 1886 (WCF 40-70) that used a 330 gr. bullet diameter .405-.406. My Winchester mold is simply marked “40-70” and cast .406 330gr bullets. I found them to be a long, stable bullet that shot accurate in my guns. T/R

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February 20, 2022 - 7:26 pm

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steve 004 I have not ever fired my 40-70 nor do I have any loading info. 

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February 20, 2022 - 7:28 pm

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TR said
Winchester made tools for non Winchesters, the 1885 single shot, and the 1886 (WCF 40-70) that used a 330 gr. bullet diameter .405-.406. My Winchester mold is simply marked “40-70” and cast .406 330gr bullets. I found them to be a long, stable bullet that shot accurate in my guns. T/R  

TR that is very interesting. I would like to know what this mold was for then. 

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February 20, 2022 - 7:54 pm

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The 40-70 Peabody, Winchester, Sharps straight and bottle neck and the Remington all used a 330 grain bullet.  So did the 40-72 Winchester.   The Winchesters and Peabody both used the same Lyman #406150 mold.   The others used a different mold.

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February 20, 2022 - 8:08 pm

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 Tom

 The only patch bullet 265gr in the Winchester catalog during the mid 1890’s is 40-50 Sharps adapted to Winchester Single Shot and Sharp’s Rifles.

 In Lewis Yearout’s Publication he lists a 40-265 patch bullet mold as being made by Winchester and interestingly the previous owner of my copy has written next to it 40-70. I got this list from a tool collector in Topeka Kansas, he has long since past away. T/R

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February 21, 2022 - 10:40 pm

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Tom Harty said
TR, just went to check on the mold I have and it is a Winchester manufactured mold. It will drop a 265 gr. flat nose bullet.  

Tom, How is your mold marked? Would you mind posting a picture of the caliber markings and of the cavity for my survey?

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 Tom,

 I’m sure you are aware 40-70 does not always mean WCF 40-70. Sharps, Ballard, Winchester single shot, and Remington used 40-70 of various shapes, some with paper patch bullets. T/R  

Concerning .40 Caliber Winchester bullets molds, my research has found that Winchester offered, sold, or made 34 different cherried bullet molds (and possibly more).

 

The 40 – 70 (W.C.F.) mold is on the harder side to locate, but they do turn up. 

Sincerely,

Maverick

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February 23, 2022 - 1:15 am

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Hello Maverick

I’m going to attempt a dynamic move here and send pictures of my .40 cal. mold

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February 23, 2022 - 1:18 am

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Well here I go again, how do i post photos? 

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February 23, 2022 - 1:24 am

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Tom Harty said
Well here I go again, how do i post photos?   

Outside hosting source is what you’ll need unless you’re a member.  I like Ingmur.  Some like photobucket.  There are many others out there.

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February 23, 2022 - 1:30 am

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Well this starting make me some what cranky as I am a member! All be it only recently. 

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