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Doesn’t it seem odd that there’s no mention or picture of a Cody letter in this posting? Wouldn’t all One Of One Thousands be letter-able? If the seller was truly being serious about getting top-dollar (and enhance authenticity), I would think he would be wise and invest in a $70.00 factory letter.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=415132854
Because the gun isn’t right. Serial 714 should have a plain trigger and this one has a set. I don’t like the engraving on the barrel, it lacks the normal scrolls on the other flats, the band at the breach is too close to the receiver and there is no engraving or inlayed band at the muzzle.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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I don’t come out of my cave to post often, but this one is worth it to ensure no one gets burned. In addition to what Bob and Mike said, it has the wrong checkering pattern, the wrong buttplate, the wrong swivel eyes (even though it letters S&S) and horrific reblue/wood to metal. It’s a mess. Some of the guns from this same well-known 1/1000 order have been published and the differences in engraving and other characteristics like S&S style are clear.
+1 to what has already been said…..I did ask the seller if he had the letter and he said yes but he wanted me to call to discuss the letter. You shouldn’t have to used car sell a 1 of 1000
I’ll eat all the hats in the house if this can pass the serial number test found in WINCHESTER The Golden Age of American Gunmaking and the Winchester 1 of 1000 by R.L.Wilson
This would be a second way to document the rifle. Truthfully, the barrel breach engraving is another. the engraving on the one in question is amateurish considering the one’s found in all three books by R.L.Wilson’s books.
I ‘d like to own one some day but the best I can hope for is to own a "engraved like 1 of 1000"
I would like to see the serial number, I think that would explain a lot.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
I would like to see the serial number, I think that would explain a lot.Bob
his description says its S/N 714. although it does not show in any picture
Well it is not as easy to fine serial numbers than I thought. There were a couple of 3 digit serial numbers in the 450 range. Most of the 1876 rifle serial numbers were 4 and 5 digit numbers. 1200 to 10096
I guess some time I’ll have to make a list. For some reason I thought there was one already compliled, maybe in another book.
714 was not number I found while looking. I guess the source letter is the best way. But wouldn’t be cool to own a number listed in a reference book.
This 1 of 1000 book contains the serial numbers of 1873 1 of 1000 and the 1876 1 of 1000 Winchesters.
See pages 45 and 57
I looked it up in the 1 of 1000 book and thats where I saw that the set trigger didn’t letter but I want to see a picture of the serial number to see if it looks legit but I would guess it will not.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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I guess this is the difference between a rookie (ME) and a seasoned Winchester Man (you)
WG1776 said
I don’t come out of my cave to post often, but this one is worth it to ensure no one gets burned. In addition to what Bob and Mike said, it has the wrong checkering pattern, the wrong buttplate, the wrong swivel eyes (even though it letters S&S) and horrific reblue/wood to metal. It’s a mess. Some of the guns from this same well-known 1/1000 order have been published and the differences in engraving and other characteristics like S&S style are clear.
Please elaborate "horrific reblue/wood to metal? Im trying to see where your looking? trying to learn not dispute at all!
Thanks,
The wood to metal fit is on par for a gun in that condition, a little undersize were you can see the metal stand above the wood and some rounding of corners. The metal finish is most obvious in the photo of the barrel address, you can see diagonal marks from a file going across the barrel address. This is a positive proof the barrel has been refinished.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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I see it, is that the same on the side plate? And do you think it was done long ago or more recent and doped to look old?
Steve,
The receiver looks like either had cold blue added or the side plates have been changed. The condition of the different parts of the gun don’t match. You don’t know how long ago it was done but in the terms of a Winchester, it was done in recent history.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Steve, the metal on the entire gun has been scrubbed, refinished and/or cold blued like Bob said. And you can see in the photo taken from the back left of the receiver that the stock has been off the gun, sanded so the edges/corners are visibly rounded/below the metal. This is not from normal honest use. Even well-used original guns maintain their extremely tight wood-to-metal fit.
Would of added my 2 cents earlier but keep forgetting about this post. Would agree with Bob and others about the details and condition issues with the gun. Would also add that the engraving doesn’t even come close to being even a good Fake.
I find it interesting that the seller posts the serial number as being #714. As John Parson’s book has #714 as a One of Hundred and Dr. Lewis discusses this Mystery on page 124 of his book with the present location being unknown to the author. So it seems highly more likely that #714 is actually a One of Hundred. Would make sense as there are several before and after this serial number in the same job order. But only time will tell.
As for the Gunbroker seller, we can all dream.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Now that I know what Im looking at Iv seen several guns with file marks. I probably would never pay 79 k for one gun but any gun missing the dust cover loses most of its luster for me especially missing a thumb print! and I would of thought this gun would of been case colored? Could you special order a 1 in 1000? I thought Winchester just came a cross these special guns when test firing them.
They said they picked the barrels when test fired and the barrels were put in a fixture for that process and if the barrel tested very accurate the barrel was set aside. It was not when the gun was completed so you could order a 1 of 1000 with what ever features you wanted.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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