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woma951 said
Now that I know what Im looking at Iv seen several guns with file marks. I probably would never pay 79 k for one gun but any gun missing the dust cover loses most of its luster for me especially missing a thumb print! and I would of thought this gun would of been case colored? Could you special order a 1 in 1000? I thought Winchester just came a cross these special guns when test firing them.
The whole barrel accuracy was nothing more than a marketing ploy. Which didn’t make much sense and which is why Winchester relatively quickly stopped making them.
woma951
Majority of the 1of1000s were ordered with color case hardening but some where blued also. And in case you didn’t know 76s and 73s without dust covers are called "Open Tops" and they are quite scarce.
It appears some idiot took a nice somewhat nice rare early Open Top model 76 / parts gun and is trying making it into a even rarer gun. Forgot to mention earlier that I believe the stocks are off a later gun as I believe the butt-plate should be of the thick toe variety.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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far from an expert on this-
didn’t it start with a 1 of 100, then those where set aside in batches of 10 – one of which became the 1 of 1000
I seem to remember the program came to an end when Winchester realized that they were suggesting the rest of the batch were some how less accurate – basically – a marketing effort that did not come out as planned
Rick1894,
No, that is not the way it happened. If that were the case, there would be nine "1 of 100" rifles for every one "1 of 1000" rifle made, and that was not definitely not the case. The truth is that the "1 of 100" rifles are considerably less common than the "1 of 1000" rifles.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Too many people go by or remember the line from the Movie Winchester 73. Which is of course totally inaccurate.
Dr. Lewis states on page 13 of his book, "According to a note written in 1919 by George K. Walker, an early Winchester historian, the man primarily responsible for the 1 of 1000 program was James E. Stetson, a well-known precision shooter of the day, who also worked for Winchester in the 1870s as a contractor supplying barrels." He further goes on about how precision shooting was very popular at the time. Seems Mr. Stetson was good to supply some fanfare to the 1 of 1000 program. It also seems of some consequence that when in 1881 after Mr. Stetson leaves Winchester very few 1 of 1000s were made after that year. Not until 1892 when one and in 1893 when four more model 1873 1 of 1000s were made on special order. No 1876 1 of 1000s were made after 1880 and very few "Engraved Like 1 of 1000" were made in either model.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Really? This gun isn’t worthy of discussion except as a teaching lesson. No exam or letter needed. Fake 1/1000. Done.
woma951
Majority of the 1of1000s were ordered with color case hardening but some where blued also. And in case you didn’t know 76s and 73s without dust covers are called "Open Tops" and they are quite scarce.
Sincerely,
Maverick[/quote]
I have never seen an open top but have heard of them. How was the open top machined or was it just a lack of for the dust cover?
It has been relisted and they added a letter interested to see what you guys think of it. Still no pics of the serial number.
woma951 said
I have never seen an open top but have heard of them. How was the open top machined or was it just a lack of for the dust cover?It has been relisted and they added a letter interested to see what you guys think of it. Still no pics of the serial number.
Originally 76s did not have dust covers, Houze’s book goes into length as to why. And yes basically the receiver is not milled for the dust cover stop and guide.
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/10246/11003717_2.jpg?v=8CE26F576F06E50
Here’s a 2nd model with the receiver milled for the dust cover stop.
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/2051/4ae1dff9b97cae45d75aa55.jpg
As far as the letter goes, anyone can get a factory letter for any serial number that is in the factory ledgers. That doesn’t make the gun real, just that the factory letter describes what is noted about a particular serial number in the ledger.
Also seems that the factory letter posted isn’t a real letter just a copy of the letter, merely scanned and color printed copy of a factory letter for serial #714. You can see the edge of the color print on the paper in the photo.
Tony G
Really? This gun isn’t worthy of discussion except as a teaching lesson. No exam or letter needed. Fake 1/1000. Done.
You are correct sir, well put and isn’t a good teaching lesson indeed.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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The open top came about from a patent infringement from S.G. Bayes who held the patent for the dust cover. Once the case was settled Winchester started to put them back on the 73’s and 76’s.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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