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..in this case, it most certainly is. All is original…except the reblue, the refinished wood, the barrel liner, the set trigger, the saddle ring, and…hmmm that doesn’t leave much else.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=412426053
Forgot to mention the "dubble set triggers, octigon barrel, the boore is like new."
I’d say he is trying to pass it along for sure!
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The current bid is way too high for this gun, and the reserve isn’t met. I never cease to be amazed at what people will pay.
I have seen only a few barrel liners–Is this one poorly finished at the muzzle? I thought liners were supposed to be flush with the rest of the muzzle and harder to discern.
Where did honesty and integrity go?
Another thought–I wouldn’t want that rifle for free. Rather an insult to an old Winchester to bastardize it that way.
deerhunter said
Forgot to mention the "dubble set triggers, octigon barrel, the boore is like new."
You left out cut down barrel
When I first started collecting Winchesters, I bought a few re-worked guns when I didn’t know any better, but the one being sold here is so blatantly obvious with its liner, that I am just agog that people have bid it up that far already.
There are a lot of games played on Gunbroker and I suspect that someone is bidding this up for the seller. Just a junker.
I’ve sent him two messages and this is the last one:
Sir, I will tell you again to make sure you understand. The gun is a complete refinish. Hopefully you will be honest enough to state that in the auction. There are other things about it that aren’t stated but the main thing is that your statement of no refinish is totally false. Not trying to be an ass, just trying to be informative.
So far no acknowledgement. 😕
I sent him a message ask why he was lying about the rifle. surprise no reply
I’d bet GunBroker doesn’t want to get involved, but that gun is blatantly misrepresented by the seller.
What can be done beyond contacting the seller with a heads-up–which a couple of you have done.
Is the only other option to butt-out?
I sent my comment to seller:
— BEGIN MESSAGE FROM USER —
I hope you have the integrity to tell the true about this poorly redone, non-original rifle. You’ve got your name and company name at stake. You might reconsider what you’re doing……
chad replied " ok thanks "
Polite fellow, eh ?
Evidently, the reserve price wasn’t met the first time around. This crook has the nerve to post it as factory original again. I too, have informed the seller of this fraudulent post, but get no response.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=414296445
Personally I think Gunbroker SHOULD get involved. The seller has been informed that the gun is refinished and is obviously aware of it. Therefore he is knowingly misrepresenting an item for financial gain. Kinda sounds like fraud to me. I’ve never sold anything on Gunbroker but they must have something in their site/seller agreement forbidding such conduct. Any of you guys sell items there?
Buyer Beware!!!!! their are a lot of sellers like that, that prey on the new guy in the collecting world. Do your homework before bidding! Here’s an 1886 that sold, that has been cut-down, cold blued, ect. Someone paid 2-3X what it’s worth. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=411992832
Purchasing firearms is just like the stock market. Most of the time it is best to sit back and do NOTHING. When a buying opportunity presents itself, then buy. When one bids on a internet forum, one is basically bidding against anyone else out there interested and with computer access. Unless mislabeled and the seller does not know what it really is and the potential buyers are not aware of what it really is, you really aren’t going to do better than retail, and, in the case of the 1886, you will pay 4 times what it really is worth. I would be hard-pressed to give $700 for that one.
I sent the seller a much more pointed email yesterday after his relist. I informed him that he had had plenty of info and chose to do nothing about it. I told his that this now made him a liar and a cheat…no response.
I’ve bought and sold on GunBroker.
A .32 WS I bought several years back taught me quite a good lesson on how slippery some sellers can be. Took it through the GB fraud department and was certain they would help to make things right. They washed their hands of the situation.
Since then, you folks on this forum have taught me much. Won’t be so easily fooled now.
That is why I was asking on the thread here–What can be done? Given my experience in the flim-flam department and the ridiculous non-action on GB’s part, I was wondering if someone here knew how to get GB’s cooperation in calling a "fraud" a fraud.
The wonderful thing about the free market system is that it is up to the individual to be responsible for there own purchases. I agree with contacting sellers about fraud. I have purchased guns that were not what they appeared to be. That was my own ignorance and greed. I was trying to get a "deal". Fraud is against the law. You can notify the law enforcement agencies in the state that the person is selling.
I have been blessed with guns purchased on the internet that are much better than described. I also have been sent guns that were worth 1/4 of what I paid. I did not research the purchase and wanted the buy of a lifetime. This is a great hobby or business. But like any business it is up to the buyer to check what they are buying. I do have a Winchester 94 with a cut barrel, reblue, sanded stocks, extra holes, wrong markings on the barrel, pitted barrel and missing parts that I paid top dollar for. Will never sell it, I keep it at the front of the safe to remind me to slow down and check what I am buying. Was a great education.
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