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February 4, 2016 - 1:33 am
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I ran across this thread in a search.  I’m glad to know someone is doing this.  

Here is the info on mine. 

 

S/N 85746 (1915 mfg, I believe)

Sent to Winchester for letter, but was told by them records for that range were unavailable. 

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Standard SRC features of 22″ barrel and carbine butt.  No upper wood handguard, which could be missing, but I see no evidence of one ever being there.

Overall condition is on the ragged side.  No remaining metal finish.  Wood worn pretty slick. Saddle ring missing. 

Rear sight has been replaced with what seems to be either a late Krag or early 1903 Springfield.  

Belly of stock and underside of forend has “ER” scratched into them. I tell people its for Edith Roosevelt but its more likely aomething like Emelio Rodriguez.

Bore is dark and rough. The only bullet I’ve found that enters the target nose-first is the Hornady 220 RN.  I guess it’s long enough to grab a little rifling. 

 

But its mine.

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February 4, 2016 - 10:57 am
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Thanks Barry.  Looks like the year of manufacture is 1914 according to our website.  Neat gun.

https://winchestercollector.org/dates/

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Here is another one.  “Like New” condition??  http://www.foxriversporting.com/products/winchester-m1895-deluxe-near-new

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Thanks again Michael.

Brad

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Brad

Here is another:  SN 57865   .30-40 Krag  22″ SRC   Item #243   

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/photopanel.cgi?listingid=2622385&feed=1

http://www.horstauction.com/gunsale16feb

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Thanks Michael.  That got me over the 800 hump, still a long ways to go.

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Sounds great Texas, thanks!

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Thanks Texas.  You could always do a Cody on search 21775 someday if it mattered to you what the rifle was originally chambered for.  I have heard that the 303 British was very popular in Canada as well, but so far in the survey it has been the least recorded cartridge chambered. 

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Brad,

Do you have this dealer here in Houston? http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/winchester-model-1895/  I can go look at anything you need.  He is only about 5 miles from my house.  I see he does not have nay serial numbers listed.  I am heading out of town for a few days but will go take a look when I get back.

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Yep, Sometimes they have the serial number shown and sometimes not.  Quite a few 1895s in their archive:

http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?category=943&subcategory=1130

Looks like two pages of 1892s there also.

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Brad.  Have 2 for you

77546 .303 British standard rifle crescent butt 28 inch barrel standard Lyman sights

73753 .303 British carbine  carbine butt no saddle ring not tapped

22 inch barrel standard carbine sight.         Tom

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Thanks.  Much appreciated…303 British too!

Brad

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Here’s another 1895 rifle for the survey:

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Thanks, that’s a very nice looking 1895! Really great condition.

These are great rifles. 

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Thaks Brad.  How many 1895’s do you have in your survey so far?  Do you have enough in your sample size to provide any statistics of the variations?

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So far it is just 916.  Bert could probably shed light on a good number to have in the survey as a percentage of total production to give good statistics.  One nice thing about the Model 1895 is that there are records for the first 59,999.  If you take the Russian Muskets out of what is remaining, that does not leave a lot, maybe around 75,000 other arms.  Combining what will be in the survey in the future with what we know from available records should allow some good estimates at least.

A total of 916 is not a lot in comparison to total production.  However, if you knew someone who had collected 916 Model 1895s in their life and kept records, that should at least give that person some understanding of what is out there for 1895s.  I have found more 30-06 and 405 WCF 1895s than I would have guessed, and although there are a lot of 30 US/30 Army 1895s, they have made up less than 40% of what I have recorded.  303 British have been the hardest to find.  I have also wondered if surveying from collections would yield more rare and special guns because they were saved, and not standard guns that were used up or buried under a rug in a cabin somewhere.  The survey has approximately 119 1st Models, 133 total Deluxe or Fancy guns and 113 Takedowns in it so far.  It will be interesting to see how it looks in the future and in comparison to where it is at now with only 916 recorded.

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Thanks again Brad for your dedication to this task.  It will be interesting to note your findings as the sample size increases.  I do have an 1895 carbine in .30-03 as well, but it’s in the back of the safe and haven’t had a chance to dig that one out yet.  My dad has a couple as well–one in .30 US and another in .35 WCF.  I’ll try to get you the details on those as well.

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Brad et al.

My goal for the many surveys I have in progress was to survey at least 1% of the total production (or specified serial number range) before using the data in a statisitical analysis. For the Model 1895, if you exclude the 293,000 or so Russian contract Muskets, that leaves you with approximately 132,000 specimens to look for. So, if you use the 1% rule, you will need at least 1,320 documented serial numbers.

To avoid skewing the results of the survey, I try not to look exclusively at collections, as they do tend have a much higher percentage of fancy or rare configuration samples. The guns that typically come up in the large auction houses are the same. So, I spend a lot of time sorting through hundreds of small autions that take place almost daily across the U.S., and I frequent several internet websites were common people visit looking for information about “dad’s” or “grandpa’s” old Winchester.

My eventual goal is to survey at least 10% of the total production for all of the various models except the Model 1894/94 (the total number of 2.2-million is just too large). My near term goal for the 1894/94 is 1% (22,000), and I am making good headway towards reaching that number, currently at 15,160. For the other models, I have reached as high as 6% (the Model 65), but for the most part I am in the 2-3% range. I believe that I have developed some very good statistical data from those survey numbers. One other thing that I did, was to record the year ending survey results for each Model I am surveying. This allowed me to see which direction the information in each survey was trending.

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deerhunter

Here is one similar to yours from 1906.  It must have been used just a little bit more however, maybe by some of the common people Bert mentions LaughLaughLaugh

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Very nice 1895 Brad–they look like twins.  I really like these nice condition guns that showed gentle use and were well cared for by their owners.  Do you think the Lyman 21 sights were a special order or did Winchester have a bunch of 1895’s made up with them and made them available as a standard over-the-counter option?

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